Greetings again

[Goric]

The high council has given me permission to come back to WOD. Thats is, if yall still want me

Sir Goric

[Althus]

What I would like very much is to know their reason for forcing you to leave the clan, and *why* they had this sudden change of heart.

Oh, and hello again sir Goric :)

[Mehan]

Althus, be nice.


It's 'cause the Order made him, right Goric? You allowed to say anything more than that?


I'd gladly invite you back into the clan. [:)]

[Delirium]

We'd love to have you back Sir Goric![:D]

Now, as to the pomp and circumstance..... Well, we have more formalities now than we used to. We make new applicants answer questions. Do we need Goric to answer these questions too? what say my clanmates?

[Althus]

Put 'em through the process! That'll teach people to leave the clan ;)

(I can't help it. It's the same reason people go to public stonings.)

[Kiriel]

I say we make him answer the questions, but don't make him attend any additional events. My feeling is that there should be a certain time limit for how long you can leave the clan without having to go through the various steps to return. Less than a few weeks and you should be able to return with no process unless someone has an objection. More than a month and you should have to go through the questions and a vote. If you're gone more than three months you should have to come to at least 2 events, so new folks can get to know you. More than a year and you're treated as a new applicant entirely. But that's just my opinion.

[Sargon]

/ponder I rather get pied than answer questions :p

Now sir Goric, it's your turn to teach Althus and the others a lesson! Give them long-winded answers to all the questions raised! And to all the other questions too! That will teach them!

And congratulations, sir Goric!! Ok, so you're not thru that HUGE process of re-joining again, but there's simply no doubt for me they'll take you back with open arms! :)

/ponder I think sir Goric was not getting pied so far!!! Unfair!!!!

/action replaces 'Sargon' (you know.. the name on the top of the list...) with 'sir Goric' on Konoko's list!

Sargon

[Altir]

Ah happy ta see tha ye may rejoin tha clan, sir Goric!

Ah joined just as ye left tha clan b'fore. So far, ah gettin ta know me clan bretheren bettah, 'n ah not regrettin joinin. Aye, some 'o em hath some strange notions, but Honorable!

/ponders tha pie ritual tis strange... ah wondah... hmm.... parhaps tis time fer meself ta look fer me page... tha person kin carry tha pies...

/action looks around for a pie so he can join in the fun....

/ponders ah betta wrap me beard up... dinna want ta git it sticky.

Altir

[Himitsu]

I think how the person leaves should also be taken into consideration. If a person leaves because they want to find their own path and find out that Winds of Dawn is on their path than Kiriel's idea is a great one. If the person leaves because of some specific reason than getting some sort of assurance that this reason has smoothed over would be nice.

As for Goric, I'd like him to answer the five new applicant questions and explain why he left and why wants to return and then have a vote immediately after that.

[Kiriel]

Perhaps we just need different questions for returnees? I'd love to see you come back Goric, but I would like to hear more from you about what happened.

[Goric]

Greetings Everyone!

Thank you for your kind words. Im afraid that I cannot really discuss the Councils reasons for removing me from your ranks. It will have to be enough for you all that I am allowed to return.

I can tell you though of my personal reasons for wishing to return. After the councils descision, I began to look at other clans. I did not know if WOD would wish to have me back.

With the completion of the Hall of Chivalry, many possibilities are open now. Unity is needed now more than ever before. Unity amoung KNights, unity amoung clans, and unity amoung all of Puddlyby!

I guess I should leave some words for your questions so I will be quiet now

Sir Goric of the Garkazian Order

[Alby]

Awww I

[Althus]

Due to concerns of my clanmates (both current and ex-), I hereby withdraw my question and propose something much easier for a Zo to wrap his mind around, but still equally important:

* Why is the N in KNight capitalized?

If you can answer that, you've got my vote [:D]

Irreverently,
Awfus

[Kiriel]

I just suggest that the longer a clanmate is gone, the more parts of the application process they should go through because during that time period we acquire more members, who may not really know the ex-clanmate and need to be respected in the re-induction process. The longer they've been gone, the more members we will have who weren't in the clan when the member left, so the more information (questions and events) should be required to give them a chance at getting familiar before voting.

Whether Goric's been gone long enough to request that he answer questions and whatnot is really a decision that's up to Delirium, but anyone who has a feeling on the subject should let her know so she can make an informed decision. Personally I would be happy to see Goric return, but I do think we should have a good policy for handling these situations. Remember that we have also had Ender express interest in returning to the clan. In his case I definitely think it's appropriate that we require he go through the entire process because he's been gone so long there are a lot of members that have joined since then and many don't know him at all. I think it's clear Goric shouldn't have to go through the entire process because he's only been gone a little, but he was gone long enough that there should be some process to take into account newer members. That's just my opinion of course.

[Drablak]

Frankly I don't need questions answered. I hear all those who say nice things about Goric and I must say I don't know him at all. The only thing I'd ask is to get to know him. He was still in the clan when I joined but we failed to meet in any clan event/meeting.

So please come see me in then lands sir Goric. Let me get to know you.

Drablak

[Lilly]

If you leave the clan, you should have to do some work to get back into it. If I ever decided to ask for re-entry, I wouldnt be uncomfortable at all with having to go through all the standard processes that any applying member would, be it answering questions, attending clan events, or answering why i left in the first place. I'd actually be a bit disappointed if I wasnt asked to do those things.

My reasoning behind this is much the same as Kiriel's - there are members who may have joined after a person left that now have a valid say in how a person enters the clan. It is also a very good way for someone to meet some of the clan members they didnt get to see too often - which is something I recall Goric in particular mentioning he had a problem with before he left.

Leaving the clan is to me about as serious as joining it, and shouldnt be just overlooked.

[Himitsu]

I hate "me too" posts but here's a "me too" with regards to Lilly's and Kiriel's ideas. :cool:

[Delirium]

Ok, I believe in being fair and it seems that treating all applicants for membership the same is fair. I did tell Ender he had to answer the questions. I guess it's only fair to ask Goric to answer the questions and come to the required 3 clan events too. Besides, silly zo knights have been known to express a preference for trials and tests.

So, here's the policy: when a member leaves the clan we will allow a 2-zodiac "cooling-off period" during which the former member can re-join without a vote and what-not. After 2 Zodiacs, the member must go through the same process as any new membershi applicant would. Does that sound reasonable to everyone?

Goric, get those answers in and come on some clan hunts![:D]

[Konoko]

I think that sounds good Deli...
A "cooling-off" period is a good idea.

[Himitsu]

That sounds good to me.

Maybe you should have a poll in the Private Clan forum so we can vote whether to make your proposal official or are you going to make it official with the power of your office? [:)]

[Liolel]

Sounds fine with me.

[Goric]

I have no problem with answering questions. In fact, I demand that I be treated no differently than anyone else. Questions do not bother me, silence bothers me. And besides, Id hate to deprive Del of her thoughts as to the love of KNights and their quests.

Why do I capitolize the N in KNight and promounce KNight differently than some? Im afraid this is another mystery that you must accecpt.

Though I have no idea where these questions are. I couldnt find them even when I was a member here before. Some direction please for the eternally Lost KNight?

Sir Goric

[Himitsu]

How do you pronounce knight or KNight or kNight? I thought it was like night because the k was silent.

Maybe you could ask Sleipnir.

[Drablak]

I saw you pass in town center a moment ago Goric. Another opportunity missed to stop and say hello.

Drablak

[Altir]

Ah believe tha questions are tha same fer those joinin' tha clan, sir Goric. Ah sure them will correct mah if ah wrong!

http://www.windsofdawn.org/joining.html


1. Why do you want to join Winds of Dawn?
2. In what ways do you enjoy helping new exiles?
3. What do you enjoy doing when you are out of the Library?
4. What do you not enjoy doing?


Altir

[Goric]

I have moved this to General in the forum

Sir Goric

[TerraHawk]

Why couldn't you answer the questions here Goric? After all, this is what the Membership section is for.

Also, pointing people to a scroll to anser your questions is not a good idea. You should answer the questions as best you can within the message post (at least that's my feeling).

TerraHawk.

[Goric]

hmm. looks like my posting in the General section did not take for some reason. Most of the answers that you seek can be found here in my newly updated scrolls.

http://home.appleisp.net/~sirgoric

Other than that, since I am newly married, I spend most of my time with Lady Lanna. As for what I dont like, Torgon Nuts come to mind. They stick in my teeth!

[Kiriel]

Actually, I moved your post in the General forum back to the Membership forum because that's where membership related discussion belongs, and the answers to the questions are part of a membership procedure. Sorry for the confusion.

[Konoko]

One question Goric:

If I understand this all correctly, the council had you leave WoD before. And now you're interested in rejoining. Are you defying the council with trying to rejoin or has the council changed their minds and decided to let you rejoin?

I guess my major concern is if the council will change their minds again and ask/force you to leave WoD again.

It sounds like you can't give the reasons why. I'm more interested in "if" the council will remove their permission from you being in WoD again.

Konoko

[Goric]

Dearest Konoko,

Firstly, no one really knows when they might me called, or have reason to, leave the clan. This is something that just cannot be predicted. So asking me if the council will change its mind is like asking me to predict the weather. Change is the way of things.

As for the councils descision; As before, I cannot discuss it. It would be me little good to defy them, nor would I ever wish to. It was their descion that I be allowed to retun if I wished to do so.

Sir Goric