I'm bored

[Aethelred]

I suppose I should probably e-mail this to the LIFE mail list as well...

I'm bored! [:(]

The thing that I used to (and still do) enjoy most is difficult, time-consuming, no-holds-barred expeditions to explore insanely deadly and interesting places. In fact, one of the things that brought me back from the mainland was the dream of exploring again with LIFE (now that was due as much to the people in that group as to what we did, but the exploring was a major factor in it). In all honesty, it takes exploration to really get me going - I am NOT a rescue healer, and I don't do well as the solo healer on hunts or newbie hunts as my training is geared towards working with a group.

Unfortunately, LIFE no longer exists, I am not strong enough for the KI League, and I generally am unavailable at the times when Baba's PTF group gets together. All in all, the closest I have come to exploring in the last several zodiacs is checking out the new underground passages - and that was out of sheer boredoom from sitting in town center (my least favorite thing to do - on an OOC note, I actually clan my fighter ALOT more now simply because he is designed as a solo coin whore, so at least I can be semi-productive in my clanning time).

The reason I am posting here, aside from a general need to whine, is that I want to see if others are interested in a regular get-together exploration time. I am not petitioning to join WoD, or go on the clan hunts, but just starting to do my asking around with a group of people I know well, and who I know generally share my desire to explore. I realize that places like the FH are well out of range, but between you, me and the lamp post, we can do some respectable running around on KI, or at least Noth.

What I am proposing/asking, is that we set a "get together" time (maybe the old LIFE meeting times) for those of us who are interested - and that means any and all of our friends who are interested - to actually DO something challenging and dangerous.

Cheers,
Aethelred

/ponder Heh, reading this - I think I need to find myself a clan again since the above seems to be what clans are actually for...

[Tas Furrfoot]

Aethelred,

There is a newish clan that wants to do that sort of thing. Talk to Rylantar. The clan has done mapping that has been well received on the http://orderofakara.com scrolls.... unless your fighter is already in it? They need some more healers, that's for sure.

Tas

[Althus]

Trust me, 'Red, this is the wrong place to post this sort of thing :) Everyone in WoD, and I do mean everyone (except maybe Kiri) is too weak to be useful for this sort of thing :) Also, the best way to get this kind of group together is to ask people individually, and have it pretty well planned out before you even do that. If you want to succeed where LIFE failed, you'll have to have the group commit to at least 3 meetings a week, and get a pretty sure guarantee that they'll alll be there.

Even then, you can't really expect to be doing the most dangerous stuff like the foothills in the first few months of the group's life. Instead, I'd suggest starting with Noth and working your way up. There is, of course, plenty to explore in the Noth underground assuming you get a few PFs and some Mystics.

I've been tossing the idea of doing something like this around in the back of my mind for a while, so I'll definitely keep you in mind if I ever get off my arse and do it.

[Nunul]

Originally posted by Althus
Everyone in WoD, and I do mean everyone (except maybe Kiri) is too weak to be useful for this sort of thing :)

Hmmmm...
How to follow that up...

"weak" :rolleyes:

Makes me think, it does.
I have been clanning...Good Lord...over 2 RL years.

I watch vision stones of Noth hunts from WAAAAAAAAAAAY back.
Were the exiles who made those stones so much "stronger" than us?
I for one don't intend on waiting for my library exp to boost me to a level where I am close to slobbering things in remote areas. I am with Aethred on this. I slobber a lot in noids, I tire of the same old passage fight in DC, TGs are a "challenge", but is there really a point to killing them outside of exp?

"weak" :rolleyes:

I am a full (/curse hermit) Pathfinder, I am toes with Loovma (and consider myself a decent chainer), I can take a beating if not hit the ubercritters...AND I like to think I have accumulated a fair amount of common sense in my IC life.

"weak" :rolleyes:

Better to be "weak" but know when to run...and when to stand your ground.

I look at Nunul and see one glaring weakness: lack of time.

YMMV
-Nunul [:D]

[Althus]

I ask you this: Could WoD alone, without any outside help, do anything above TGBG? I didn't think so. Ok, add Nunul to the list of two WoDs that are strong enough for a group like that, my mistake. But the REAL problem with asking WoD with a problem like this is WoD's real glaring weaknesses. They are threefold:

a) Clanmates accross the globe make it great to help newbies at all times, but near impossible for WoD to ALL get together. Our strength is stretched pretty thin timewise. Beyond that, a lot of us are closet libraryholics.
b) Total lack of discipline. On every WoD hunt I remember going on things were absolute chaos. Nobody was thinking tactically, and very few besides Farhope actually listen to directions. I think this is mainly because WoD is more of a social institution than a hunting group, and that's fine. I didn't join this clan for it's magnificent hunts.
c) WoD specializes, huntingwise, in newbie hunts, and thats what our members are trained for. That's cool. It's a useful job, of course, but it also means that most of us are totally unsuited for places like the Foothills -- our healers lack faustus and Horus -- our fighters lack Atkus and Darkus -- our mystics... well, that's not such a huge problem, I guess ;)

[Nunul]

[:)]

I don't think Aethelred was recruiting WoD as a whole, just diping into our pool of exiles with an adventurous spirit.

As far as clans go, the only one that I personally have seen work well as a hunting force is Darhorse. Clanhunts IMHO ARE no more than a social hour or two.

I think Aethelred is going about it the right way by asking for volunteers from our group. Its got to start somewhere.

I personally would like to be part of an enemic group. We need some goal in our training, and hunting "over our heads" brings our weaknesses to light.

What fells us makes us stronger.
Hunting where we are comfortable does not.

[Althus]

As learned by Yor's LIFE example, open recruitment gets you a bunch of saps who have nothing better to do and don't realize that open recruiting doesn't work :)

So far, the only successful groups like this are PTF and PMF, both hand-picked by their leaders. I think that says something about hand-picked vs. signed-up-for groups.

[Aethelred]

Nunul kind of pegged it...

I wasn't recruiting WoD as a whole (thought I had made that clear), but instead was just starting to sound people of like-mind out - and trust me, ALOT of people other than just WoD read this board. I also wasn't trying to come up with something to replace LIFE. In all honesty, the Foothills are pretty much reserved for GurgiMob

[Althus]

You can't gauge what times are good for people until you have people, but I'd strongly suggest that if this group wants to get anywhere they meet more than twice a week. 3 times, at least, if not 4. Talk to me about this sometime in the lands or on ICQ if you want help organizing things, especially tactically. I'm interested in the group, but I think this is a particularly bad way to go about it. If you want opsec, start opsec. Starting open and going opsec is a SUREFIRE way to piss people off.

[Himitsu]

This sounds interesting to me and it would you could let me in on the information when you have settled on it.

P.S. Not that I'm giving up on my own group and plans are moving ahead for that, but I think it would be neat to be in a near-town adventure group and a far-town exploration group. After all, one group can't be expected to do everything. [:D]

[Lex]

Originally posted by Nunul
[:)]As far as clans go, the only one that I personally have seen work well as a hunting force is Darhorse.

PM?

Lex

[Lex]

Originally posted by Althus
So far, the only successful groups like this are PTF and PMF, both hand-picked by their leaders. I think that says something about hand-picked vs. signed-up-for groups.

Hand-picked is essential. Doing it one at a time is much better than 3 or 4 at once. Hunting together as much as possible is needed too.

Training specifically to work with each other is a little advanced and maybe not needed, but definitely worth it.

Lex

[Leogic]

Specificly, the best groups are the groups that work well together and study disciplined fighting tactics and understand heirarchy. Study tactics, note changes, and understand each other's strengths and weaknesses.

The individual who posted something about Noth and individuals hunting there sucessfully at 3rd circle is correct, you can do it. All you need to do is know tactics and how to do it. Luck is also a factor ^_^

Don't be affraid to fall. The best groups know fully well when they go on a 'serious' exploration hunt, there is a good risk they will all fall if they act silly or due to bad luck. The Po departed many many times before they finally broke through the dread passage. Needless to say they where not happy about Greater Death Vermine.

All in all, I have faith in you guys. To quote a certain cajun.

Yoo can doo it!

-Leogic

[Nunul]

Originally posted by Lex
PM?

I have zero first hand knowledge of PM hunts.
All has been heresay to me.

I have accompanied DH on Noth hunts.

"the only one that I personally have seen..."
was what I said [;)]

[Nunul]

Originally posted by Leogic
ATo quote a certain cajun.

Yoo can doo it!



Welcome to de schwawmp! [:D]

[Farhope]

Althus, I think that we (WoD) can do Noth! Really! ... but only if... :-)
if we could do it regularly together, accepting to fall and fail a lot in the begin and if we don't want to kill everything. Ok, so you are right, (because of the "time" problem) we can not ;-)

Aethelred, I would like to be part of a small-medium group to explore. But I don't have the time for that out the library... And if I had, I would be part (because they proposed to me and it would be better for my schedule) of PTF.

[Althus]

Farhope, gather me 10 WoD members that don't mind departing once every couple days, who can meet regularly, and are at least high 2nd circle for fighters, and 3rd circle for healers, and I'll lead the party if you want me to. I'm not holding my breath :)

[Leogic]

I might note, start out small. Do things like organize a hunt to an interesting place that is challanging or might be chalanging for your group. Snagglewood sounds good, as does the Eastern Passes. If your group can tag Greymur, go for those! [;)]

Also, start catagorizing your clanmembers style of training. See who trains as offencive, defencive, hista, faustus and go with it. Practice!

-Leogic

[Babajaga]

Great idea Aethelred.

If I may, some advice:

Figure out a time of day first. When do you clan. Who are on at the same time as you. How often do you see them. Those are the ones to start asking. Only ask those who are truly interested in this sort of thing. Make sure the ones you ask are all compatible. You don

[Konoko]

Nobody was thinking tactically, and very few besides Farhope actually listen to directions. I think this is mainly because WoD is more of a social institution than a hunting group, and that's fine.

I just want to make sure I'm considered as one who listens Althus! I listen - I'm almost positive I do!
I think Althus has summed it up not too bad (in his usual jarring, pull-no-punches style too... :)

I do know that I tend to get impatient and start to wander off. But I don't leave the snell unless I know where we are heading and I can get there without assistance.

Good luck with this Aethelred! I'd love to help you out, but as Althus mentioned, I'm one of those libraryholics. It's not that I have other characters and that Konoko is a library character or anything like that. It's just that finding time to clan (let alone when the rest of the group is, etc) is probably the main reason I'm in the library.

But of course if you happen to be organising something and I'm out of the library, let me know if you need some help! But I am just a second circle fighter (this is me downplaying my circle so I can be that much happier when I pass 3rd after I get those library ranks... ;)

Konoko