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[Nocturnity]

Hello,

I am just writing to say hello to fine folks in WoD. Thank you to all of you who have helped me in my first few days in Puddleby. I have just been exiled and have stumbled upon your scrolls. They are some fine scrolls here. I have found them very useful.

I am finding Puddleby to be a friendly place and yet to be hellish at the same time. I am finding that I feel like I am stuck in a nightmare and that one day I will wake up, but as each day goes on I realize that I will never wake up and that this is life now. I want to make the best of my time here in Puddleby, but I am finding it hard to decide on what to train. Back home I used to be a thinker. My job was to invent and discover new things, and actually thats what got me into trouble. I forget what I was working on, but I know it was great and only if I can remember how I did it. Anyways I am rambling on here. I guess I just miss my family and loved ones. Back to the training topic...

I do NOT want to be a fighter. I am a logical person and don't want to spend my days only to kill beasts. Everyone has their special gifts and calling in life. I just know I am no Fighter. I also know that Fighting these horid beasts is just part of surviving in Puddleby. I actually haven't found a job that I want, so for now I am going to be just and another exile.

With that in mind, me not wanting to be a fighter, I have been training Master Bodrus. I know, I know never train with Bodrus, but I am not going to be a fighter and I have yet someone to tell me who else I can train with besides Master Bodrus to get my strength up. If you know of another Master please let me know. I am planning to train with him until I have 50 ranks. Once I have recieved 50 ranks I was planning on training with Master Trolius. After that I have no Idea on what I want to do.

Like I said I don't know what I want to do for my proffession, but I know that I want to focus on making discoveries and challenging my mind.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Nocturnity - ex Genius (stupid empire)

[Steady Foot]

Welcome to Puddleby! [:)]

Since I am a fighter, I don't have a whole lot of advice to give. I am sure others will!

I just wanted to extend my helping hand and welcome you!

If you are in need of anything please ask. Including items you may like.[:)]

[Nocturnity]

Originally posted by Steady Foot
Welcome to Puddleby! [:)]

Since I am a fighter, I don't have a whole lot of advice to give. I am sure others will!

I just wanted to extend my helping hand and welcome you!

If you are in need of anything please ask. Including items you may like.[:)]

Steady Foot,

Thank you for your warm welcome. As for things I need: Sunstone and possibly an Orga Eye. Don't worry about trying to find these things for me, Some day I will be able to purchase them. I am getting somewhat close to a Sunstone. But any help is greatly appreciated.

Nocturnity

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
Like I said I don't know what I want to do for my proffession, but I know that I want to focus on making discoveries and challenging my mind.

If you want to go to find new areas or go to far away places then I suggest being a healer since good healers are always in demand and you have the added benefit of being useful and needed immediately after becoming a healer.

Some might think Mystics are the profession of making discoveries and challenging your mind but it takes a lot of ranks and time to even get the basics down. As an example, to get my boosts to the current level of mediocrity I had to get 450 ranks. Of course, 300 of those ranks are used for my other skills as well but you can see the large time investment needed. Mystics have a great potential but aside from locating, many skills aren't used and so we are derided as only being good at sucking. I want to change that but need a bit more ability at my mystic skills before I start. So if you think you can become a Mystic and go on hunts or use even the most basic of Mystic tools right away, you will be disappointed.

As to Bodrus, he's a good defensive trainer and has helped keep me alive more than once thanks to the health he gives you. While Bodrus isn't as useful for healers and much less for fighters, that doesn't affect you as much since you don't want to be a fighter. So I don't see many negative aspects about getting up to full Bodrus.

[Hidden]

Welcome to Puddleby, Nocturnity. I certainly hope you enjoy your stay here.

If you're looking for a class with plenty of mental challenges and a good potential to discover things, you probably want to be a Healer. While Mysticism might seem like an appropriate path, I should warn you that it's more of a political guild, not a mental one, and rarely contributes to society at large. Surely as a former inventor you recognize a great idea has no worth unless shared, eh?

As for training suggestions, since you don't plan on becoming a fighter, a healthy chunk of training with Master Spirtus will definitely be of aid to you no matter which path you choose. If you're looking to make some money for your sunstone, Skea Brightfur (Found on the western beach, just north of the docks) might not be a bad idea either. 50 lessons with her will serve you well for a LONG time. 20 trainings with the Marsh Hermit will make travelling a simpler task, allowing you to use some of the more basic shortcuts available, and it shouldn't be hard to find an escort to take you to him.

Oh, and some friendly advice -- never judge anyone around here solely on their reputation. This is one of the nastiest rumourmongering towns there is, and a lot of people get very much undeserved reputations, both good and bad.

[Edit: Great minds think alike, eh Himitsu?]

[Kiriel]

Welcome to Puddleby Nocturnity! Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with training a bit of Bodrus as long as you don't plan to be a fighter. I would suggest you get no more than 50 though because at some point the damage he does to your swings significantly outweighs the temporary benefits. Also note that if you become a healer, your Bodrus will probably rarely be used after the first few months except for clearing rats off fallens. If the reason you are training Bodrus is to get more health, you should note that if you become a healer, there is a trainer for that purpose.

If I see you when I have time I will try to take you out coin hunting a bit so you can get money for that sunstone. I also usually have some spare orga eyes to hand out- I believe I'm currently out but I will get some more soon and I'll save one for you.

[Nocturnity]

Thank You all for your replies.

I am aware of the aspects of being a mystic, and that it takes a lot of time. I also realize that being a healer happens faster than being a mystic. And Kiriel that would be great, I would love to go coin hunting.

I look forward to seeing you guys out of the library.

Nocturnity

[Sunoril]

Nocturnity, let me add my welcome to everyone else's. And let me throw in my two coins about training. [:)]

If you don't want to be a fighter, then you have three choices. Others have mentioned two of them. The third, of course, is to remain an unprofessioned exile.

My take on training:

1. If you want to be a Mystic, train with Master Bodrus.
2. If you want to be a Healer, train with Master Bodrus.
3. If you want to be an unprofessioned exile, train with Master Bodrus.

You see, Master Bodrus will teach you how to defend yourself - and no matter what path you choose to follow in the lands, from time to time you'll have to do that.

There is also a trainer named Troilus. He teaches you how to heal yourself better. If you're not going to be a healer, Troilus is very good to know - and even if you are, it might be worthwhile having some of his skills to hand.

Bracis will teach you unarmed combat. Some exiles think that's a waste of time, but I fight that way, and I find it works for me.

If you decide to be a healer, once you get your moonstone I'd recommend that you train with Eva and Master Spirtus, who teach similar styles of healing, but each trains some things the other doesn't. I'd train about twice as much Eva as Spirtus. Along with that, train as much Respia as you train in the other two combined. The reason for this is that the "balanced" trainers (Eva and Spirtus) teach you to heal others faster (same as Faustus), and you need Respia's training in spirit regeneration to keep up with the damage that Faustus can do to your health. Don't train Faustus directly - unless you train about 3 times as much Respia as you do Faustus. But the Eva/Spirtus route is better, because it gives you an effective 35% bonus (approximately) to your ranks.

Once you get to 2nd circle, train Sylpha and buy a sylphstone ring. Train as much Awaria as you'd like, and as much Horus as you can. But by that time, you'll have enough experience to decide your own training priorities. :)

There are other useful trainers, as has been mentioned: Skea Brightfur, the Marsh Hermit and Dentir Longtooth are some of them.

Hope to see you around the lands.

Hands On! :cool:

[Taryn]

Originally posted by Kiriel
Also note that if you become a healer, your Bodrus will probably rarely be used after the first few months except for clearing rats off fallens.


Actually, having some Bodrus as a healer can substantially help your defense against the weakest of creatures, like rats and vermine. This "invisible" use is good for a long time (especially with swarms). I'm happy with my 20 lessons. You can look up Sunoril's choices and those of other people for examples at www.puddleby.info/rt.t (http://www.puddleby.info/rt.t)

As for Skea, if you become a healer, that's probably not important early on. It's hard to solo hunt as a healer, while fighters solo hunt often. So even though I trained some Skea, I usually find the fighters I'm with have more than enough for what we're hunting. Maybe get enough for vermine and large vermine.

But really, do what feels right to you.
[:)]
Taryn.

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Sunoril
Bracis will teach you unarmed combat. Some exiles think that's a waste of time, but I fight that way, and I find it works for me.
It works, but it's not a particularly effective way to fight, since the 50 ranks you spend getting metal bracers don't help you in any way, and the metal bracers are significantly weaker than an axe or shortsword. For most people, 50 ranks on a stylistic choice of what weapon to wield is too much.
There are other useful trainers, as has been mentioned: Skea Brightfur, the Marsh Hermit and Dentir Longtooth are some of them.
Dentir isn't actually very useful, given that there's all of two places it's actually worth something. On the other hand, if you plan to spend a LOT of time hunting arachnoids or in the Valley (which won't happen 'till much later in your career, when there's still plenty of time) it requires much fewer ranks per coin than Skea.

[Dandelion]

Welcome t'Puddlesby!

Lotta interestin' tings t'train, witout choosin' a profession right away (da 'git ahead quick' types won't agree wit many of 'em, or will tell ya t'lock a friend up in da library t'train 'em, but I figger dey's all good fer roundin' out yer own more basic skills).

Dere's languages an' brewin' an' bakin' an' tailorin' an' pather-finderin' an' skinnin' an' mandiblin'!

An' dere's Loovma fer t'look after yer chains (some'll try an' tell ya dat a chainer who ain't all brawn's no good ... dey'd be mistaken) an' fancy dagger better, an' some say Mentus helps wit gamblin' an' not fallin' fer da effects o'hypnotic flowers ... me, I got me own idears 'bout what 'e trains, but I dun wanna jinx it, so I'll shush. I'm prolly fergittin' some, but it's a start.

Mebber you could find a group goin' to Orga territory an' go wit 'em. Might be more fun t'find yer own orga eye. Or mebbe not! To each 'is own.

G'luck!

Dande

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Dandelion
An' dere's Loovma fer t'look after yer chains
Given the price of chains these days, I doubt he'll be able to afford any real soon now. Training advice isn't exactly timeless.

[Dandelion]

Originally posted by Hidden

Given the price of chains these days, I doubt he'll be able to afford any real soon now. Training advice isn't exactly timeless.

Mebber Loovma an' Skea/Dentir, eh?

Dande

[Kiriel]

That's a good point Taryn- I forgot about the defensive benefits Bodrus gives you. I still think more than 50 isn't really a good investment of training, but that amount will help you with bricking small critters.

[Nocturnity]

Thank You all for your help! I appreciate it very much. I think for now i'll remain Professionless, until I decide wether I want to be a Mystic or a Healer. I know people say being a mystic is hard and you can't give to the community, but I know that you can contribute to the community as a mystic. Each profession has its contribution to society. Despite what you all think. I know many of the times i've fallen a mystic has helped point other exiles in my direction. If thats not a contribution I don't know what it is. I didn't know where I was, but they did. Some healer didn't have to go all over looking for me and I didn't have to depart. This is some form of contribution. Don't Mystics also give boosts to people when hunting? That too is a contribution. Any how I really don't know enough about being a Mystic to defend it more then that. Some day I'll decide, but since I have all the time in the world now so I'll just take my time and think about the paths I can choose. Plus I am having fun right now being professionless.

Dandelion I'd love to find my own orga eye. I'm kind of a do it yourselfer [:)]

Thank you all
Nocturnity

[Ruen]

If you're trying to decide between mystic and healer, then I'd like to suggest taking a few lessons with Master Spritus. He'll help you get healed faster and give you some extra health, plus once you become a healer or mystic you'll find he's given you a leg up in some of the skills they use.

Also, based on what you've said, you might want to stop by the alchemy lab in town. I'm thinking that you might like alchemy.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
Hello,

I am just writing to say hello to fine folks in WoD. Thank you to all of you who have helped me in my first few days in Puddleby. I have just been exiled and have stumbled upon your scrolls. They are some fine scrolls here. I have found them very useful.

I am finding Puddleby to be a friendly place and yet to be hellish at the same time. I am finding that I feel like I am stuck in a nightmare and that one day I will wake up, but as each day goes on I realize that I will never wake up and that this is life now. I want to make the best of my time here in Puddleby, but I am finding it hard to decide on what to train. Back home I used to be a thinker. My job was to invent and discover new things, and actually thats what got me into trouble. I forget what I was working on, but I know it was great and only if I can remember how I did it. Anyways I am rambling on here. I guess I just miss my family and loved ones. Back to the training topic...

I do NOT want to be a fighter. I am a logical person and don't want to spend my days only to kill beasts. Everyone has their special gifts and calling in life. I just know I am no Fighter. I also know that Fighting these horid beasts is just part of surviving in Puddleby. I actually haven't found a job that I want, so for now I am going to be just and another exile.

With that in mind, me not wanting to be a fighter, I have been training Master Bodrus. I know, I know never train with Bodrus, but I am not going to be a fighter and I have yet someone to tell me who else I can train with besides Master Bodrus to get my strength up. If you know of another Master please let me know. I am planning to train with him until I have 50 ranks. Once I have recieved 50 ranks I was planning on training with Master Trolius. After that I have no Idea on what I want to do.

Like I said I don't know what I want to do for my proffession, but I know that I want to focus on making discoveries and challenging my mind.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Nocturnity - ex Genius (stupid empire)

If you are going to become a healer, you should untrain into spiritus first (or another healer trainer). The bodus you have isnt totally worthless (its damn close though), but that troulis is a TOTAL waste of ranks for a healer.

Trust me and get rid of it now. At least you can get some of it back and put is somewhere useful (eva, respia, spiritus in that order are the trainers you need right now).

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Michael
The bodus you have isnt totally worthless (its damn close though), but that troulis is a TOTAL waste of ranks for a healer.

I disagree. Troilus is a fine healer trainer since it counteracts the health drain from healing to some extent. Not a lot, but it's still worth a few ranks, and it's very low slaughter so in the long run it won't effect much.

[Steady Foot]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
Dandelion I'd love to find my own orga eye. I'm kind of a do it yourselfer [:)]

Humm, since you turned down an orga eye... does that mean you would turn down a free Sunstone? I have an extra you are welcome to have![:)]

[Nocturnity]

I'd never turn down a sunstone [:)]

Nocturnity

[Taryn]

Originally posted by Michael
Troilus is a TOTAL waste of ranks for a healer.

I did a rather crude comparison between Troilus and Respia when I was a new healer. Assuming that my base Troilus and base Respia were neglible, I concluded that Respia provided nearly twice as much self-healing as Troilus, per rank. If the base amounts were not neglible, the Respia advantage was greater, perhaps considerably. [Some day I hope to do a good measurement.]

So, you see, even though taking your time to choose the right profession is a good thing, in the meantime you could be training inefficiently. For, if you plan to become a fighter, Evus is better than Bodrus, and both Skea and Troilus are good. If you plan to become a healer, some Bodrus is good, and Spiritus, but not Troilus (and not really much Skea, in my opinion). These are disjoint choices.

But it seems to me you're leaning towards trying to become a mystic. Whether it's because you're attracted to the mystery or the challenge. I strongly recommend you talk to at least one Journeyman Mystic about what it's like, first. (Like Himitsu, for instance). You really are going to be falling alot. Promotions are by your "superiors"; there is no objective test for promotion, and it will take a long long time. And, except for "newbie experience" you aren't going to be thought of as useful for a long time. Finally, if you ever do reach full mystic, then you'll be a target of criticism from somebody. Anyways, that's what I've observed.

Good luck!

Taryn.

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Taryn
I strongly recommend you talk to at least one Journeyman Mystic about what it's like, first. (Like Himitsu, for instance). You really are going to be falling alot. Promotions are by your "superiors"; there is no objective test for promotion, and it will take a long long time. And, except for "newbie experience" you aren't going to be thought of as useful for a long time. Finally, if you ever do reach full mystic, then you'll be a target of criticism from somebody. Anyways, that's what I've observed.

That's an excellent summary and, I might add a comparison that hopefully won't muddy things up.

For you healers, do you know how you feel when you don't have enough Horus to heal someone? For you fighters, do you know how you feel when you don't have enough Atkus to hit something? I experience that feeling with my Mystic training often except I don't have the luxury of having to train with just one trainer to fix this problem but with many trainers or wait to get promoted which is uncertain and since I spend 90% of my time in the free library ranks come slowly for me.

Being a Mystic is definitely a long-term profession and is not for the impatient but I believe that it'll pay off in the end. If not, I always have Eyes of Puddleby and I'll find some way to go adventuring.

[Bob the Archer]

I have found life as an Exile to be most interesting indeed.

When I was a fighter, I spent a lot of time thinking 'A few more ranks of ____ and then I'll...'

I am a particularly weak exile- no Bodrus, no Troilus. Yet I can hunt NBC with an understanding group, get tags most of the time, and help clear the small trash out of the way.

I would say that my fighting has improved, not my strength, but rather my style. I am better at situational awareness, ballance management, weapons management (at this level, switching often is a necessity)

And I love the skills I am learnig- Pathfinding, Brewing, Languages, Baking, Skinning and Extracting, Tailoring. I also plan on spending time with Masters Bodrus, Mentus, and Spiritus. I want to see for myself the effect they have on me.

I may eventually pick a profession- but not until the townsfolk call me Lord. It is too much fun doing what I am now.

I applaud your desire to do things yourself. If you do want it, I have a spare Orga Eye- and it is a great healing boost for those without Histia or Troilus.

[Steady Foot]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
I'd never turn down a sunstone [:)]


Good!! Now what times are you usually in the lands?

BTW lots of good advice in these, there posts. For simple fighter like me, it can make my head spin!![:)]

[Michael]

Originally posted by Hidden


I disagree. Troilus is a fine healer trainer since it counteracts the health drain from healing to some extent. Not a lot, but it's still worth a few ranks, and it's very low slaughter so in the long run it won't effect much.

Troilus used to be low slaughter, but it got raised considerably quite a long time ago. 50 ranks of respia will get you a MUCH bigger return on self healing, and give you more options later.

Healers training troilus is like fighters training bodus.

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Michael
Troilus used to be low slaughter, but it got raised considerably quite a long time ago. 50 ranks of respia will get you a MUCH bigger return on self healing, and give you more options later.

True, but it's not so much of a difference that it's worth untraining or resetting over.

[Nocturnity]

Thank You all for replying. I have gotten a lot of insight on what to do. I do have a suggestion for newbies though. Do not train more than 30 ranks with bodrus if you plan on getting easy ranks in anything else, becaue somewhere around 35 or so I started dispatching rats and myrm farmers. Which have helped me obtain many ranks in a very short time. This is something I have learned the hardway, so now I need to depend upon other exiles to take me hunting with them so that I can get some decent experience. I don't like the feeling of needing to depend upon people, because I am a fairly independnt exile.

Any how I realized that I am not ready to decide upon my profession just yet. I am having too much fun helping newbies hunt in the myrm hives or just showing them all the neat places I've found around town. My first zodiac has been a great one and I have learned a lot. Maybe I'll find a way to keep no profession by being a skinner, alchemist, and a path finder. All of which are greatly needed by the town folk of Puddlesby.

Himitsu, I have been reading your journals. They are very well documented, but I am finding them to discourage me on becoming a mystic. I have also talked to other mystics who have just started and am realizing that it is a very frustrating profession and unthankful profession. Thank you for your wisdom and sharing your thoughts through your journal. It still hasn't scared me away from want ing to be a mystic, but it is causing me to rethink my path.

I also want to thank all the members of WoD who have said Hello to me, or have shared with me while coming out of the library. I appreciate this greatly and I hope to see you guys in Town.

Nocturnity - A discouraged exile, just trying to find his place in puddlesby.

[Archemar]

Hello,

Originally posted by Nocturnity
(...) Maybe I'll find a way to keep no profession by being a skinner, alchemist, and a path finder. All of which are greatly needed by the town folk of Puddleby.
(...)


there are only two potions you can make as unprofessionnal which I have never seen lots of demands on.
I gave up learning with skea after the challenge level, however when comparing with past figure I do not seems to make much money (despite an occasionnal luck see Hor's journal here (http://www.fierceandfurry.de/archives.php?view=2003020901&ShowMe=-2) )
path finder are of some demand, however I am slotering orgas and ocasionnal orga warrior, and could tag other, so I am of limited use in snagglewood. even if I had sometime help in rescue behind path (jannar, pass, etc ... )


Archemar

[Lex]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
Thank You all for replying. I have gotten a lot of insight on what to do. I do have a suggestion for newbies though. Do not train more than 30 ranks with bodrus if you plan on getting easy ranks in anything else, becaue somewhere around 35 or so I started dispatching rats and myrm farmers. Which have helped me obtain many ranks in a very short time. This is something I have learned the hardway, so now I need to depend upon other exiles to take me hunting with them so that I can get some decent experience. I don't like the feeling of needing to depend upon people, because I am a fairly independnt exile.

There's no magic number for Bodrus that will make you start slaughtering rats and other things. The basic formula is: getting more ranks in anything makes you slaughter more things, and getting more ranks in something that helps you get more ranks will make you slaughter things a little faster.

For Bodrus, instead pay attention to what it's doing for you. A few ranks might help vermin miss you more often, or help you kill them easier. Also keep in mind the usefulness of Bodrus is different depending on what profession you choose, even if it's no profession.

As far as needing other exiles to hunt with in order to get exp, that's something that happens to everyone very quickly regardless of profession. And even those who can get exp hunting solo will always be able to get more with a good group.

All of us depend on each other to some extent, but if you wanna try building a character that is independant, maybe even one that prefers solitude, it's not too hard. You'd probably need to be a fighter, at least that's the easiest way.

Lex

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Lex
All of us depend on each other to some extent, but if you wanna try building a character that is independant, maybe even one that prefers solitude, it's not too hard. You'd probably need to be a fighter, at least that's the easiest way.

A healer would also be a good solitude profession as self-healing along with a typically high quantity of health enables a healer to safely go to many places where others would find it impossible or more difficult. I don't know who the best self-healing healer is but since Hidden is a master of Spirtus, I'm sure he can comment on this.

I also strongly suggest that if you want to be an independent person than being a mystic since the profession is designed to help and aid the other classes in a variety of ways. Plus, it takes a longer time before we can improve our physical skills so we are weaker for a much longer time unless you want to dump ranks into Troilus.

P.S. If you do become a healer, look me up and we can go hunting in the South Forest. I have the Bodrus and health to kill a lot of what's down there and the 50 Skea to earn coins for both of us. It'll be fun! [:D]

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Himitsu
A healer would also be a good solitude profession as self-healing along with a typically high quantity of health enables a healer to safely go to many places where others would find it impossible or more difficult. I don't know who the best self-healing healer is but since Hidden is a master of Spirtus, I'm sure he can comment on this.[:D]

While it's true that a skilled healer can go more places solo than any other profession (recipe: a buncha spirtus, an equal amount of respia, a 10th of that in Awaria, and about 300 higgrus is enough for basically anywhere it's possible to get alone. Plus PF, of course, if needed), the question is what do you do when you GET there? I could comfortably jog around the Greymyr Village (GMV) every morning with about 500 ranks, but I didn't gain a damn thing for it, other than the novelty of doing it the first few times.

Healer is, by definition, not a "solo" profession. While we don't depend on others to survive, we do depend on them to have something to do while surviving.

[Ruen]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
...Do not train more than 30 ranks with bodrus if you plan on getting easy ranks in anything else, becaue somewhere around 35 or so I started dispatching rats and myrm farmers. Which have helped me obtain many ranks in a very short time. This is something I have learned the hardway, so now I need to depend upon other exiles to take me hunting with them so that I can get some decent experience. I don't like the feeling of needing to depend upon people, because I am a fairly independnt exile.


I'm pretty certain that the rate at which you get ranks drops off sharply after the first couple of zodiacs no matter what you train, that's just the way life is. After that we live in a world where we have to interact with others to really learn... there's just a limit on what you can learn on your own.

If it helps, look at hunting with others as a case of interdependancy, not dependance. The people who you're hunting with are depending on you for stuff too, even if its just company. If I go hunting with a fifth circle figher, I know its probably not my combat skills they want me for (unless they have an unreasonable fear of vermine swarms), but its not that unusual an occurance so its obviously something the fighters in question don't mind doing. Also, you don't absolutely _need_ the other to get ranks, you can get them from the library, it just takes longer and is less fun.

But if dependance is a really big issue for you I suggest becoming a healer because everyone in Puddleby depends on healers. Of course that applies to other healers too. As a wise person once said, "Even Thuja falls sometimes."

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Hidden


While it's true that a skilled healer can go more places solo than any other profession (recipe: a buncha spirtus, an equal amount of respia, a 10th of that in Awaria, and about 300 higgrus is enough for basically anywhere it's possible to get alone. Plus PF, of course, if needed), the question is what do you do when you GET there? I could comfortably jog around the Greymyr Village (GMV) every morning with about 500 ranks, but I didn't gain a damn thing for it, other than the novelty of doing it the first few times.

Healer is, by definition, not a "solo" profession. While we don't depend on others to survive, we do depend on them to have something to do while surviving.

You could pick up ore to hopefully get metal and to sell them for a lot of money thus enabling you to stay in the more expensive libraries for ranks, buy more clothes, buy dyes to get more outfits, buy a Purgatory Pendent which is a shocking 10k, give money to your favorite female halfling Journeyman Mystic, etc.

I can understand why it would be boring for you however some people just like exploring for the sake of exploring and like to do the exploring alone... I was thinking Nocturnity is one of those people.

[Sunblaze]

If you do become a healer, I suggest hitting higgrus some before you start training for anything. Just to make sure you have good enough health for any surprises. I remember I was hunting with a newbie healer that hasn't trained in higgrus and the newbie ended up getting killed very fast.

Eva is good trainer after you have enough higgrus to keep you on your feet. She's a fast trainer to get you through circles, but you may want to train some respia with her. I'm more into customizing my character than speed, so Eva isn't on my list.

If you want to add troilus to your healer, I recommend waiting when you mostly can't get any exp when you kill things. That's the time you can train anything you wish without worrying about slaughter levels, because a healer would end up having to get exp through shares sooner or later. Troilus does work during healing others. I want from white to green and back again when I was healing someone. I have 10 ranks of Troilus and I'm thinking about getting more just for heck of it when I make it to the 4th circle.

I'm not sure my information is correct any more. If you want want health for being an exile or mystic, spiritus will give you a little dose of it. But, you have to deal with slaughter levels while you gain ranks from him.

[Lex]

Originally posted by Himitsu
You could pick up ore to hopefully get metal and to sell them for a lot of money thus enabling you to stay in the more expensive libraries for ranks, buy more clothes, buy dyes to get more outfits, buy a Purgatory Pendent which is a shocking 10k, give money to your favorite female halfling Journeyman Mystic, etc.

These are valid points, but the bottom line is that fighters inherently interact with monsters, and healers inherently interact with other exiles.

Mystics inherently inteact with the library ;)

I don't even train to solo hunt but I can coin hunt better than most and can occasionally solo hunt for exp (vanqs even! though not often).

However, if by "not depending on others" Nocturnity means "self-sufficient" rather than "solitary", I would say that a self-heal specialist healer can be a good choice as well.

Lex

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Lex
Mystics inherently inteact with the library ;)

Well what do you expect? Books aren't carried by Orgas after all. [;)]

On the other hand, I do understand why many mystics hide in the library. I've found it a difficult time getting a healer to join me in a trip to the South Forest when my fighting abilities are dubious at best and they could probably get better coin by going with a fighter to the NWF. Oh well, we all have our trials to bear. :mad:

[Nocturnity]

Again Thank you guys /action smiles,

I realized that I need people. I am just really scared by being forced to leave my family behind. I also found out that my best friend who was exiled a while ago is dead, but slowly I am realizing that I need you guys to survive in this crazy land.

I am seriously starting to think about becoming a healer (silly thoom healers are brain washing me) /action thooms, but am not making my decision yet. Himitsu is it true that mystics slaughter a lot of creatures? I was hunting with a mystic yesterday and I over heard him talk to a fellow exile by saying, "whats the point i slaughter everything except boloks and up" and the fellow exile replied "Oh yeah I forgot mystics slaughter most everything". If this is true then I most likely will not become a mystic.

Nocturnity - A rather happy exile at the moment

PS I bought my sunstone lastnight, i even made it to the meadow on my own.

[Lorikeet]

Alas Nocturnity, if you are concerned about slaughter, you shouldn't become a healer either! In the beginning, we are all created equal [;)] . That is, healers, mystics, and fighters all get experience from killing stuff. However, as healers improve on their healing skills, their "slaughter" level rises, without an equivalent rise in their fighting capabilities. That means that eventually you cross the "I slaughter everything but boloks" threshold. Since healers have trouble killing boloks, that's pretty much the limit for any kind of solo experience. You can still kill things as a healer, if you are in a party that has enough time to give you a leisurely chance to luck hit something.

If you are interested in hunting for coins and fun, you can still do that, but the occasional fur experience isn't going to give you much. I still like to solo hunt places I can manage, like south forest, plains, and nwf during the day. It is primarily for fun and the challenge, because if I really want coins, I'll go with a fighter who can actually kill the stuff fast [:D]

Congratulations on the new sunstone.

[Bob the Archer]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
is it true that mystics slaughter a lot of creatures?

A fighter slaughters only what is beneath his notice.

A healer slaughters almost everything he can hit

A mystic slaughters even the stuff he cant hit.


To be a healer is to be a help.
To be a mystic is to be mys-understood.

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
I am seriously starting to think about becoming a healer (silly thoom healers are brain washing me) /action thooms, but am not making my decision yet. Himitsu is it true that mystics slaughter a lot of creatures? I was hunting with a mystic yesterday and I over heard him talk to a fellow exile by saying, "whats the point i slaughter everything except boloks and up" and the fellow exile replied "Oh yeah I forgot mystics slaughter most everything". If this is true then I most likely will not become a mystic.


Everyone's slaughter increases sooner or later. The only difference is that fighters actually increase their abilities to kill the monsters and defend themselves from the beasts while both Mystics and Healers have a limit to our fighting abilities. Mystics do have a slight edge in that we can increase the effectiveness of our boosts so that we have more Atkus and Balthus than we would normally have even with full training with Bodrus. As a bonus, we can also give those increases to the exiles around us. However, Mystics can't and shouldn't compete with the fighting prowess of fighters.

I have approximately 843 ranks and slaughter most (if not all) Orga Berserks. As can be expected, I don't usually have the chance to hit them although they are the highest level of creature which I believe has a narrow slaughter band so it's a good judge. I also believe I slaughter all of the bears except for Chocolates. The fighters here can say if this is comparable with what they slaughtered at that amount of ranks.

As to the mystic in your example, I say get 50+ Skea and hunt them for money. It helps to have a bit of Troilus or a healer buddy but hunting for coins is more fun that staying in the library all of the time and if you pick a good hunting companion you can have a fun conversation. Don't many fighters hunt the forests for money even when they slaughter everything there?

P.S. Be nice to Mystics, we may suck but we have feelings too! :cool:

[Ruen]

Originally posted by Nocturnity
I am seriously starting to think about becoming a healer .... Himitsu is it true that mystics slaughter a lot of creatures? ...If this is true then I most likely will not become a mystic.


Um, if you want to learn by killing things, becoming a fighter is really the only viable alternative. Sure, sometimes healers and mystics can get a blow in and learn stuff from helping to kill a monters, but you certainly won't learn much from stuff you can kill on your own by the time you're excluded from Bick's. High level healers and mystics do occasionally land blows of tough critters that the fighters they are with are fighting, but these are "luck hits", and often the more experience groups don't always want to wait around for non-fighters to swing at stuff long enough to get lucky. You said you didn't want to be a fighter, but it sure sounds like you want to function as one. Are you sure the fighter's path is not for you?

I'm not saying that healers can't learn fast though. A good healer can get a pretty decent amount of experience through shares. If you make a decent name for yourself as a rescue healer you'll start getting shares from lots of low level fighters who might need to be rescued, or at least that's the way its supposed to work.

Mystics definately have it worst. Their contributions are less obvious and used less frequently that that of healers. This makes it harder for them to get shares, and thus they advance more slowing than the other professions.

Anyway, there are ways to learn other than killing critters, but if you want to learn from killing critters you need fighter training. Its also the most fool-proof way of learning outside of the library, but the most successful healers certainly learn at an impressive rate. I think the most powerful healer in the lands has about as many ranks as the most experienced fighters.