loosing spirtus ?

[Archemar]

hello,

has any one been told by spirtus :
"better pupil", then "paying off" ???
five lessons after I was back to "good pupil"

(on a side note, spirtus greet me with a better pupil with only 45 lessons ...)

Is spirtus angry with me ? am I seeing Troilus too much ? (a mere 100 lessons)

Archemar

[Dani Diuberr]

No, but I have had the same problem with first circle fighter trainers. ( I dont think Histia likes me)

[Hidden]

That means the trainer was made more effective.

My spirtus message seems to have dropped 200 this update, which means I'm definitely going to train more in the near future :)

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Hidden
My spirtus message seems to have dropped 200 this update, which means I'm definitely going to train more in the near future :)

How did you lose so many Spiritus ranks? Does that mean Spirtus changed what he trains?

That's a huge setback and you seem to be taking it with high spirits.

[Liolel]

From a recent chat in the fairgrounds with ann gm I can tell you that the way spiritus judges you has changed. What you have already trained with him stays the same. This is happening because of the fighter subclass's. If people are intrested I'll upload the visionstones I took.

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Himitsu
How did you lose so many Spiritus ranks? Does that mean Spirtus changed what he trains?
Exactly. He trains about 1/3rd more stat-per-rank of something, though I'm not sure what. The invisible and useless "spirit" stat can't be it, since that doesn't do anything yet and thus changing the value/rank be stupid, since the formulas that eventually use it could just be adjusted. The most likely case is Sespus, since it's the only stat besides 'spirit' (useless to change) and rodnus (overpowered to change) in Spirtus that I haven't trained any extra of on the side that would be a benefit to fighter subclasses. Once I finish my bout of respia, I'm going to train about 50 sespus to test out that theory.
That's a huge setback and you seem to be taking it with high spirits.
That was a terrible pun, and I know that my stats haven't changed, so I'm okay with it (exccept for the fact it set my ledger plans back by about a year).

[Steady Foot]

Hey don't tell anybody I don't know this but what does Spiritus for a fighter anyway?
[:)]

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Steady Foot
Hey don't tell anybody I don't know this but what does Spiritus for a fighter anyway?
[:)]

Several things:
1) A small component of health is always useful.
2) Spirtus is half as effective as Rodnus at getting you healed faster, which, when put on top of rodnus, is a fairly hefty bonus.
3) It provides spirit and spirit regeneration, which is definitely going to be useful for one of the fighter subclasses, and maybe all three.
4) It provides an invisible and currently useless 'spirit' stat, somewhat like Mentus provides a 'mind' stat, and bodrus provides a 'body' stat. This may not be useless in the future.

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Hidden
That was a terrible pun, and I know that my stats haven't changed, so I'm okay with it (exccept for the fact it set my ledger plans back by about a year).

I hope you just need to train a bit with Sespus for Spirtus to bow to you again so your plans don't get pushed back too far.

I'd be interested to know exactly or even approximately what Spirtus trains now as I was planning on training to toes with him (mainly for the additional health). So if you could tell us what the extra Sespus does, I'd be happy.

P.S. Sorry for the pun. I really didn't mean to make one but it's funny to me with hindsight. [:)]

[Liolel]

One useful peice of information to add.

The entire conversation with ann gm minus when I had dinner can be found at the upload page or at this link Link (http://www.windsofdawn.org/uploads/Liolel/Ann_Gm_Meeting.sit)

There are two vison stones there the the second should have the spiritus discussion about 18 minutes in. I would post from my text logs but its very long and spread out.

[Nephilim]

Strange. My Spirtus message hasn't changed at all (toes). As far as I know (and I'm pretty sure) I have had exactly 100 Spirtus ranks for a long time.

Anyone else who doesn't get a changed message? Or has Spirtus been readjusted in any way?

[Himitsu]

I think the changes are small enough that it's only really noticeable if you have quite a bit of Spirtus training.

[Cheech]

I believe the amount of Respia and Sespus were increased in what Spirtus gives. So, if you have additional Respia and Sespus from Eva or straight training then your Spirtus message won't change. I had the 400 Spirtus message and it dropped to 300 because I have no Eva or Sespus training.

Cheech

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Cheech
I believe the amount of Respia and Sespus were increased in what Spirtus gives.

Apparently everything (Sespus, Faustus, Higgrus) was increased except Respia, which was dropped all together. Don't ask me why, but two GMs on the newsgroup confirmed that.

[Brune]

Hidden said:
Apparently everything (Sespus, Faustus, Higgrus) was increased except Respia, which was dropped all together. Don't ask me why, but two GMs on the newsgroup confirmed that.

I guess the simplest conclusion is that one or more fighter subclass skills will use spirit. Maybe by training spirtus they can improve the (duration? power of?) the skill.

Maybe by limiting some feature (respia), it prevents the skill from becoming too powerful...similar to how healers are kept in check by capping Bodrus and eliminating Regia from Hardia.

We'll just have to find out, I guess.

[Konoko]

Brune posted:
I guess the simplest conclusion is that one or more fighter subclass skills will use spirit.
I played around with my bloodblade last week for a few minutes. I have 40 ranks and I'm in no way an expert on it (I've hardly used it).

But my third bar (which I guess would be spirit, right?), was draining a little on the quick side. So I guess one's spirit is used with the blood blade. However, I don't know if you want lots of spirit on the bar before you swing or you want less spirit on the bar. Would less on the bar mean more has been "downloaded" (for lack of a better) word into the blade?

Sorry for the fuzziness and vagueness, I was only doing a few practice swings on the fury/frenzy (whatever it is) fighting dummy in the fighter hall. I wasn't doing some kind of study :)


Hopefully someone more familiar with the blood blade will share some knowledge!
I could try some more tests later but I'm hoping someone will answer this before it comes to that :)

Konoko

[Mjollnir]

Its quite probable that all the fighter sub-classes will have some abilities that border on "magic" and therefore require spirit

for example the Champions and their stonegirdles, i would imagine that this is dependant on spirit to make sure that they dont remain like that all the time during the battle and only take it off to move, the same with the lava cloak and possably the atkite and darkite aswell.

These things seem to be designed to give a temporary boost rather than allow somebody to near permanently boost their stats in battle and as such will have some limiting factor like spirit

[Steady Foot]

Where are you all learning about the fighter classes?

[Mjollnir]

theres a movie on http://movies.clanlord.com called Arena Master demonstrates Champion powers (or something like that)
Where an Actual Champion is quizzed about the champion subclass, everything else is just an educated guess