Goss trainer?

[Darad]

Who is thje trainer for the Gossamer blade and where do I find him/her?
You can email me through the clan members email if you don't want to put this information our for general consumption.

TIA

[Drablak]

There is no Goss trainer. You need to qualify for the blade (when you're 3rd you get "

[Himitsu]

Another interesting tidbit is that you can't use those speed trainers in the library because you're self-taught.

I'm definitely going to put something about the subclasses in Eyes of Puddleby once they are actually implemented.

[Darad]

Thanks Drablak!
Now another question. If I am using the goss after having bought it(and I did just buy one), have I automatically just switched "trainers"? I was training with Evus when I bought and started using the goss. Does that mean that effective with my first use of the goss after buying it that I stopped training Evus and started training Goss?
Not a big deal , since I understand the ranks will decay, if I stop using the weapon, and I can then train with another trainer.

[Himitsu]

When you started training with the Gossamer you indeed switched trainers and will train with the Gossamer until you switch trainers again.

I believe you won't lose Gossamer ranks while you're training with it.

[Drablak]

No, you aren't actually training with the Goss until you type /use /practice while having your goss equipped.

[Konoko]

You can do /use /reflect to see your overall status.
You can also talk to those NPCs around town that say what your rank status is as well.

And remember that the overall progress messages are different than with normal trainers.
There's a thread with these listed in them. I've emailed asking her to add these to the trainer messages scroll with the others.

As for decaying messages, there is a macro on clmacros (http://www.clmacros.com/view.php?id=144) that monitors for these. I believe with this macro running, when the msg appears, it will equip the correct blade and start you training in it so when the rank is applied back you won't really have lost anything.
When I last tried it, I didn't have any luck but I didn't try too hard. I'm guessing I had some macro conflicts and wasn't worried enough to investigate :)

Or you can always just use that rank in whatever you're currently training and train back that lost rank later on. Which might be a better idea if you're training with some grotto trainer or something.


If you're using Scribus or whatever, this can screw up your counts so make sure to adjust it correctly. I have Scribus set up to catch each of the three degradation messages as separate trainers so I can adjust the calcs that way.

Konoko

[Hidden]

What happened to good old fashioned research techniques like /use ? and checking with Ankrus to see what you're training?

[Himitsu]

Originally posted by Hidden
What happened to good old fashioned research techniques like /use ? and checking with Ankrus to see what you're training?

He was using the time honored research technique of "asking people who might know the answer to your questions." What is obvious to people like you and me, such as /use ?, might not be obvious to other folks and now he knows how to do his own research in the future.

[Darad]

Well Hidden, you have managed to show your superior knowledge of the game and it's functions in the most obnoxious manner possible. Thanks so much.

The next time you ask someone for advice about a subject you are not very familiar with, I hope you get the same friendly, helpful response.

I knew I was growing tired of this game, and now I have one more item to add to the list of why CL is NOT fun.

You could have chosen a more tactful response, but instead decided to go into the all too common online practice of trying to prove your superiority through some trite, overblown display.

How sad.




To Himitsu, Konoko and Drablak, thank you for your thoughtful responses to this CL-and-Forum challenged person.

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Darad
The next time you ask someone for advice about a subject you are not very familiar with, I hope you get the same friendly, helpful response.
I usually do. Y'see, I practice this ancient form of lore called 'research', which means I can usually ask good, specific, informed questions that haven't been answered in plain sight 50 times previously. This does absolute WONDERS for other people's opinions of my intellect.
I knew I was growing tired of this game, and now I have one more item to add to the list of why CL is NOT fun.
Cry me a river.
You could have chosen a more tactful response,
Would you even have noticed? If you can't be bothered to find the search button, how am I to expect you to notice a quiet, demure post that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb?
How sad.
Indeed. Your intelligent response has shown me the error of my ways. I shall now go hang myself. Goodbye cruel world, for I am not worthy.

[Luminary]

Originally posted by Hidden
...This does absolute WONDERS for other people's opinions of my intellect.

Errm, uhhhhh.....Oh, nevermind. I won't go there. [;)]

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Luminary
Errm, uhhhhh.....Oh, nevermind. I won't go there. [;)]
There's a big difference between 'huge jerk' (me) and 'huge moron'. I have a serious bone to pick with anyone who thinks I'm stupid. Anyone who thinks I'm an asshole can either deal with it or ignore me.

[Darad]

Fallen in Noids, with nothing better to do...



Would you even have noticed? If you can't be bothered to find the search button, how am I to expect you to notice a quiet, demure post that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb?
Yes, I would have.
Actually the following statement would have been just fine:
"there has been much written about this in the past. Click on the 'Search' button in the upper right hand corner and look for Gossamer AND training, and you will probably find the answer you need."

Which, by the way I have done, and did not find the answer I need. And before you explode about incompetant searching skills, I tried some very specific nested Boolean searches, and still did not come up with the answer I wanted, other than in the replies in this thread.

Now, which method is more time-effective for me? 30 minutes of searching through almost, but not quite good enough information, or taking 15 seconds to type a question, and come back later, at my convienence, to find the answer waiting for me?

I handle research questions everyday, many of them seeming obvious to me, but they are not obvious to the person asking the question. I do my best to guide them to the information they need, but hopefully I am not condescending in speech or action. And believe me, I've had some really simple questions.

Is it frustrating when people seeingly don't even try to find it on their own? Sometimes it is. Do I let that get in the way of helping them? No. Should I expect the same tolerance from others? Obviously not, in your case.

Indeed. Your intelligent response has shown me the error of my ways. I shall now go hang myself.

By all means, if it makes you feel any better.

[Hidden]

Originally posted by Darad
Which, by the way I have done, and did not find the answer I need. And before you explode about incompetant searching skills, I tried some very specific nested Boolean searches, and still did not come up with the answer I wanted, other than in the replies in this thread.
I hereby withdraw that particular complaint (and have made the appropriate changes to my initial post). Apparently this board's archives aren't as useful as I had recalled, since upon trying the search myself I am forced to admit I didn't find anything of much use either. My apologies.

[Steady Foot]

[QUOTE][B]There is no Goss trainer. You need to qualify for the blade (when you're 3rd you get "

[Hor]

Hi Steady,

you get a bunch of "you experiment with a new fighting style" and
after a while you might get one "you master a new important fighting
style". Then you can go buy your blade.

Regards,

Hor

[Steady Foot]

Ok that makes more sense. Thanks.

[Nunul]

Originally posted by Hidden
Y'see, I practice this ancient form of lore called 'research', which means I can usually ask good, specific, informed questions that haven't been answered in plain sight 50 times previously. This does absolute WONDERS for other people's opinions of my intellect.

Communication (ko-myoo-ni-KA-shun)
- Some prefer this route to seek out knowledge. Others like to be introverts, and do research to seek out knowledge. Generally, those who communicate have a more pleasant experience.

Hidden, please remove the plug from your anal cavity.
You seem to be bound up.

[Steady Foot]

Originally posted by Hidden

I hereby withdraw that particular complaint (and have made the appropriate changes to my initial post). Apparently this board's archives aren't as useful as I had recalled, since upon trying the search myself I am forced to admit I didn't find anything of much use either. My apologies.

Nunul,
With all due respect Hidden gave a very nice retraction and apology. We all understood what Hidden communicated about research. It was a good suggestion. The manner it was communicated in, was discussed between the two parties.
Why flame it any further? It's been said done and over.

Steady.

[Nunul]

I have very little retention, and usually respond to posts as I read them. His retraction is duely noted.

(Still think he may be a tad bound up tho...)

[Steady Foot]

May be a tad....[:)]

[Hidden]

To be more specific, Steady, you get a special message (? You discover an important fighting technique.) when you actually qualify. Then, regardless of how many coins are in your purse, Smythus and Nacerus will start offering you any weapons you may have qualified for.

[Steady Foot]

Originally posted by Hidden
To be more specific, Steady, you get a special message (? You discover an important fighting technique.) when you actually qualify. Then, regardless of how many coins are in your purse, Smithus and Nacerus will start offering you any weapons you may have qualified for.

That being the case, I must not qualify. Its probably because I am working on PF & Hista and not anything related towards 4th circle.[:)]

Thanks!

[Anaeka]

Specific traning doesn't have anything to do with it (at least as far as I know), you qualify through the way you actually fight.

In regards to the goss, you have to one-hit a lot of monsters before you're able to qualify, just like how I believe you earn the fell by backstabbing a lot...

Of course not putting some training into darkus (which helps one-hittingi things) will probably hinder your efforts some.

[Steady Foot]

Originally posted by Anaeka
In regards to the goss, you have to one-hit a lot of monsters before you're able to qualify, just like how I believe you earn the fell by backstabbing a lot...

Didn't know that. I have gotten a few messages but I don't remember what they were (will have to look).

Thanks

[Kiriel]

One more thing about being offered the weapons, if you have qualified for both the fell and the goss, he will offer you both, but not at the same time, so if you talk to him and he offers the one weapon you have to keep talking till he offers the other. It was quite a while before I understood this so I was never sure how to get the 2nd weapon until someone told me about this.

[Darad]

I hereby withdraw that particular complaint (and have made the appropriate changes to my initial post). Apparently this board's archives aren't as useful as I had recalled, since upon trying the search myself I am forced to admit I didn't find anything of much use either. My apologies.

Noted and accepted.
And thanks to everyone, including Hidden, for taking the time to respond to my post. I understand things much more clearly now. The usual willingness to help and reach out to folks which is a strength of this clan and this forum has shown through again.

[Konoko]

Hor posted:
you get a bunch of "you experiment with a new fighting style" and after a while you might get one "you master a new important fighting style" ["You discover an important fighting technique" as mentioned by Hidden].
As Anaeka pointd out, it all depends on your fighting style.

I got the discover message as my very first message within an hour or something of becoming 3rd circle. That was for the fell.

I then soon got the bloodblade (discover message only for that too) within like a day while coin-hunting in NWF. So I take some chances and don't have patience to wait - everyone probably knows that about me :)


I was quite surprised I got those discovery messages so quickly. I know some who took months of getting experiment messages, etc before actually dsicovering. But it all comes down to fighting style and such. For instance, without much darkus, I doubt one would be qualifying for a goss.

Just recently (past 4 months or so) did I qualify for the goss. I wasn't sure I was goss material but I guess I was :)
I did get one experiment message for that before getting the discovery one though but 2 out of 3 is pretty good!

Konoko