Failed again

[TerraHawk]

Well folks, I failed my second circle test yet again.

I let myself get trapped between the south wall, the 2 vermine, and a feral.

I think i also panicked a bit...

I really hate that test - maybe I shoulda been a healer :-/

Anyway, just thought I'd let people know I'm still first circle.

TerraHawk. (who's wondering if he should continue Evus training with being more than a better pupil, or if he should train Histia so it's more than just good to see him).

[Kiriel]

It's tough passing that test, but it's worth it to hang in there. Don't get too upset if you don't pass- it takes time, and it's different for everyone depending on their training and fighting style.

Some tips: if you don't have an axe, borrow one for the test. You might also want to think about borrowing a shield. If you tell people it's for the test you shouldn't have problems getting a loan. It's pretty hard to pass the test until you can reliably kill the LV in 2 hits apiece. This gives you the flexibility to separate the feral and kill them one at a time, without worrying about LV nipping at your heels, and you can take your time. If you can't reliably hit feral after they swing just once, you probably will need more Atkus to pass the test. Histia wouldn't hurt, but Atkus and Swengus will probably be significantly more helpful to you.

Good luck!

[Althus]

I think about the following will pass:

Enough Atkus to hit Ferals reliably after they swing (50), but [being able to] hit them before they swing (about 80) isn't bad either.

Swengus: 2.5 swings w/axe minimum, 3 is great. Only use one, though.

Histia: 20-30 highly reccomended (persistance is paying off to progressing well)

Evus: Since he is your only source of Darkus and Detha at this point, train Evus religiously. It'll come in handy, and vastly accelerate your training.

Strategy-wise, start in the middle and don't let the Ferals near you until both LV are dead. Then isolate one feral in the lower left corner. Move in, let it swing once, swing at it and back off. Repeat until it dies.

The second feral is a bit tricky, with reduced health and all. If you need to, troil up a bit, but don't take more than 45 seconds or so. You have precious little time left. Repeat the first strategy with this final creature, except if you sense it's impending doom, swing out at it and attempt for a quick kill.

-Awfus

P.S: While an axe is pretty much necessary for this test, a shield is basically useless and actually decreases your precious accuracy (for feral-bashing). If you see me in the lands, I'll be happy to hook you up with an axe or short sword (free of charge. You can keep it, I'm feeling generous :)

[Farhope]

Don't despair TerraHawk, you will pass, it takes some time.

I passed when I had... (hmm... I don't know anymore now!)... roughly 250 lessons fighters' trainers. Atkus was at least saying me "better pupil" and Swengus "toes" I think. I taked me more thank 1 year (almost 1.5 year) to pass [ic time, sure].

I think Kiri was able to pass quickly but not with less than 150 lessons in fighters' trainers (ask her as I am not sure :-).

An advice: try the test regularly, it doesn't hurt to try a lot (I don't do that! I am a chicken! But Kiri says that and I think it is true :-)

[Kiriel]

Actually, I had 200-250 ranks when I passed. Don't remember what my ranks were exactly in the different trainers. I keep trying the 3rd circle test now- I've got about 700 ranks and I'm getting close but I think I still need a month or two more of training.

TerraHawk bought an axe today so he's now well equipped for the test. I think he's got a good chance to pass- I saw him fighting LV and feral quite effectively today.

[Sargon]

Hi

TerraHawk, I'd happily lend you my shield if you want! Of course you might want to not use one since Althus pointed out it's rather useless or can even hurt more in the test.

I think the best thing when you're 2nd circle fighter is that you can really start specializing in something. (becoming a brick, a fast killer (eep! :) , a lone fighter or whatever)

Sargon

[TerraHawk]

Kiriel left the bit out where I accidently went into the Hoard on Ash Island and a rescue had to be made...

:-/

Thanks to everyone who helped.

TerraHawk.

[Nunul]

My 2c...

One thing to bear in mind Terra: Gaining a circle only gives you access to more trainers (like Detha and Darkus). Like Awfus said earlier, Evus adds a touch of those trainers into his lessons, so in affect, training with Evus makes you more well rounded and it is a very efficient way to spend your ranks. Also, the % of training that Evus provides is actually OVER 100%. Off hand I cannot recall what the breakdown is. I believe the amount of Swengus he teaches is more than the Atkus, so it may be a good idea to obalance the Swengus teaches you with an amount of Atkus training on the side. I try to keep Swengus and Atkus saying the same message to me (I believe both say that I keep them on their toes). I didnt bother taking the circle test seriously until I could hit the feral dummy in the basement.

Ah...if only I had used my PF ranks for fighter training...
\action sighs

PS. Also something to keep in mind if you decide to train mostly in Evus...I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong on this one) that since he trains over 100% of other trainers lessons...it may keep you under the "slaughter" mark longer, with more ranks than otherwise.

-Nunul

[Konoko]

Here are the stats I had for the first circle test:

bodrus 10
troilus 35
atkus 65
evus 50
swengus 0
histia 65

I also had 50 skea and 5 Frrinakin (fen language)
so that's 230 ranks when I got first...


I don't think I used the axe at all and I probably borrowed a shield. I'm trying to remember but I think I just used the short sword since without any swengus (besides through evus) the axe wasn't helpful.


I can't remember if it was darkus or detha but with 50 evus, I received no training in one of those (the trainer was saying I have much to learn or whatever the very first message is)...

Good luck!



For those interested in what all my stats are now, check out:
http://clanlord.ssrnet.com/clanlord.cgi?viewchar&Konoko.dat

This was probably last 3-4 weeks ago but I'm slowly getting to the magical 550! Once I become Lady Konoko, don't worry - things won't change. It'll still be the same me! :)


Anyone else using this stats web page to keep track of stats?

Konoko

[Nugget]

I passed the test in a hurry
I had

Atkus 70
Troilus 60
Histia 10
Evus 40
Swengus 25
Skea 10

So in all I had 215 ranks when I passed and I did have an axe and worked very no shield :)
I killed lv fast then took a break troilused and killed ferals.


Dont worry about passing real fast I know 3rd circle fighters who still train in lower trainers :)

Nugget

[Lilly]

My fighter trained evus exclusively for fighting ranks until reaching second circle. it took him 175 evus. comparing that to Nugget's 145 varied fighter ranks comfirms my personal opinion that it was a poor move. Decide what type of style you want to fight with (lots of swings, or lots of darkus, or be a detha-balthus defense monster, or whatever you fancy) and train towards it. Being balanced really isnt that effective (at least, not for me)

Arteress Lai

[Nuvali]

And for Gaia's sake, have a quick drink before you test! It helps with the nervousness. ;-)

[Althus]

Lilly, while it may have taken a while longer, it gave him a good start into the second circle, and he was actually more powerful than many fighters with the same ammount of ranks.

Nunul, while Evus is 70% Swengus and less than half that in Atkus, don't forget the Darkus component. If you don't want to loose swings, training Evus and Swengus evenly is the correct path. I have a fighter working on figuring out a good ratio right now, but it may take a while.

-Awfus

[Nugget]

All ir really comes down to is each individules fighting style I do believe there is no really wrong way to train.

;D

Nugget

[Althus]

Really? Are you still going to be saying that when an army of healers with nothing but Mentus, Proximus, and Hardia overrun the town? <G>

Hypothetically, there are wrong ways to train. Hypothetically, elephants dance on my rooftop.

[Konoko]

After rereading my post above, I have no idea what I was thinking. Sorry, last night was a long night with little sleep... But fun!

add 10 spiritus which i forgot to include and I had 290 ranks total.

Maybe I when I said 230 I was talking about fighter ranks?


Anyways, if you want to see a vision stone of me passing my 2nd circle test, here it is:
http://konoko_fen.tripod.com/home/stuff/passes_2nd_circle.sit.bin


Konoko

[Lilly]

I disagree with you, Althus. Perhaps you fight in a different style then I do that takes better advantage of Evus' abilties. I still couldnt suggest it to anyone.

Arteress Lai

[Farhope]

"I still couldnt suggest it to anyone. " (Lilly)

Certainly! It is not for everyone: I suggest to read the differents comments of differents fighters in http://hunter.clanlords.com/newcomers/

I think that if the Evus style is good for you, you stay with him as I have heard to he is "efficient" but I don't think it changes anything to your "slaughter" mark, Nunul. Only that if you train (if you could train) the individual trainers (they don't really exist I think as almost all trainers train you more than one "fighter's abilities") you would take more times with the individual trainers than with Evus.
Only my opinion!

[Althus]

Personally, my fighter has always used the tactics from
http://www.red-quill.com/babajaga/fighting/fighting.html

(Babajaga's Fighting Scrolls) even before they existed, heh. They take very good advantage of Evus. While Evus may take longer to reach a goal than any other individual trainer, he'll usually put you there plus some.

-Awfus

p.s: Farhope, it's not just your opinion, it's a proven fact :) Evus is 128% efficient.

p.p.s: Only Darkus and Atkus train abilities other than what they advertise. Their secondary component is Balthus. Enough to balance out the heavy toll they take on your balance, but still in the swing-losing zone.

[Nuvali]

Farhope, thanks for suggesting the Hunter site. That's a good interesting read.

[Doc]

My training...

I have to say first of all that I am really really embarassed to be out and about without my moonstone. That being said, I've taken the step of getting decent Troilus under my belt first. I think I have about 100 sessions with him now.. or almost.. and that's where I plan to stop.

After that, I don't know! I am thinking Evus / Atkus, and eventually Regia ? Reginald? Whatsisname... may be the best long term strategy... given that I can eventually get in three solid axe swings or so.

I do hope to increase my fighting skills though. Even though I stink at it, it is kinda fun!

Doc.