Leaving the Clan

[Sargon]

Dear clan mates

I've decided to leave the clan. My goals and the goals of the clan don't really match, so I shouldn't be part of this fine clan. I'm sorry that I don't come up with a more witty reasoning. I just feel that this is what I should do..

Take care and thanks for everything.

Sargon

PS. Please feel free to toggle me whenever you need help

[Kiriel]

I'm really sorry to hear that Sargon. Do you mind if I ask what your goals are? I do hope you'll reconsider, but I understand if you feel this is really the right thing for you.

[Corwin]

There's an old saying: Merry meet, merry part, and merry meet again!

\action waves fondly to the wolf-boy

See you around the forest!

Corwin
Clown Philosopher

[Nuvali]

I'm very sorry to see you go, Sargon. You have always been a very special part of this clan, and always will be.

Please take care, friend.

[Lilly]

I wish you were staying, my friend. But, times do change, and if a different place is what will make you happy, then fly free and true, noble chess wizard. There will always be a place for you here if you find yourself flying back this way sometime.

Arteress Lai

[Althus]

I don't have any catchy proverbs, but I'm sad to see you go.

The clan won't be quite the same without you =\

[Delirium]

Aw Sargon, I am sorry to see you leave. How can you say being a great rescue healer is incompatible with the clan goals, though? I hope your path will lead you back to us. I wish you the best, and I hope we will continue to see something of you!

[Farhope]

Bye Sargon... ok, not really "bye": you are not leaving the islands, only the clan, right?

Now, I will have to share you to be sure that you know I am fallen ;-)

Hmm... about the whispering winds game, it will be a problem, too bad (the first thing a whispering wind have to do, before to whisper you back, is to look at your badge :-)

Bravo for your courage: leaving is always difficult (eh, also for us, who are staying!)... if you feel lonely one day, don't forget that you can come to say hello when we have a meeting or a hunt.

[Tater]

I'm sorry you've decided to leave WoD, Sargon. You've always shown such kindness to everyone. I hope you'll come to whatever meetings and hunts you're able to--it's always fun having you around.

Hope to see you in the lands soon.

-Tater

[Mehan]

Sargon! awww....... Wow...[:(] I'll miss you.. who else am I supposed to have save my butt?? You're so darn good at it too!! I will miss you so much...

I'm sorry you feel you don't fit in anymore.. You really were (no offense to anybody! I love you all!!) one of the friendliest people to me. Every single time I failed my test (yes yes, all 93478 times...) you flashed that happy smile and I felt better. You will still be in the lands right???

Who am I gonna fight over clan experience with?

/action sniffles

It wasn't us, was it?

[:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(]

[Konoko]

What????? :confused:

Say it isn't true Sargon!
I go out of town for a couple days and when I come back, I find out you have left the clan!

How come?
How do your goals and the clan goals not match?
I'm confused...

Now without you to bug me, you realise that my Spiritus training will go downhill? You don't want to have wasted all that time and effort with my training do you?

This is a sad, sad day... [:(]
/action drops her tail in sadness...

Konoko

[Konoko]

I'm still trying to recover from Sargon's news... :(

Anyways, if you do decide to go through with it Sargon, are you still planning to visit the forum lots? Please say yes!

I didn't think you'd take the # of posts contest so seriously! So you're over a 100 posts behind! So what? Don't leave the clan because of it! :)


Konoko

[Sargon]

Hi

I didn't intend to post that early to this forum again, but it seems that I cause more harm than anything by not posting. No I'm not angry at someone or anything like that. And I hope you didn't take offense that I didn't answer the questions raised so far.

I didn't really know what to say.. the whole thing is like a rollercoaster for me... I know it looks like it's out of the blue, but what do you expect? That I mention on a meeting that I might leave just maybe? And on the next that chances of leaving increased by 5%? If Konoko thinks about getting pink clothes and announces that at the next clan meeting, would you say 'what!? all of a sudden!?'? It was a decision! Whether it was clever is another question..

It's not that I didn't think about the whole matter, although I have to admit that the consequences (so to speak) are a bit 'stronger' than what I had expected...

I guess I could have elaborated a bit more about my reason why I've decided to leave the clan. (although I _did_ give a reason, so the questions 'Why!?' are slightly ignorant ;)

I love every clan member and I'm sure you're the best 'family' I can think of in the lands! However, the clan is not only about a family but (mainly?) about a goal. The goal of this clan is clearly to help newbies. (that includes welcoming them to the lands, showing them around, explaining the basics, taking them to hunts, introducing them to other newbies etc) I'm a rescue-healer-wannabe and I know that's what I want to be in the lands. Of course I also help newbies at times, ie when I heal them in the north fields, but that's not how I understand the goal of this clan. Also, any fighter helps newbies indirectly when they kill a silly zerk so that there's one less to invade the town and kill newbies.. The goal of this clan (as I understand it) is clearly devoted to helping _newbies_, not just helping in general, and I did an incredibly bad job at this. I didn't organize _any_ newbie hunts etc. (and ran away from the ones I attended after awhile) I'm not saying that our goals are completely different. But the goal of the clan has a different focus.

Sheesh, there's so many other things I planned to write and which escape me at the moment. Maybe I'll write something more later.

Take care, my friends

Sargon (who's afraid that someone comes up with a bullet-proof argumentation why leaving the clan was dumb and makes a complete fool out of him)

[Konoko]

Sargon, just because you don't strictly heal/rescue newbies doesn't mean you don't meet the goals of the clan. This is my attempt at a bullet-proof argument as to why Sargon should stay in WoD so please bear with me...

One cannot turn his/her back away from rescuing others in the lands. You do this to I think the fullest extent possible. This is exactly why you fit so well in our clan...

I don't think I have ever planned newbie events either. I have joined in on some but as people are aware, I haven't been on as much in the past 6 months or so. I've missed tons of meetings and stuff because of this.

As we grow in our own personal strengths and get stronger and more powerful, we become more able to help exiles other than newbies. This is good - this isn't something to look at as a bad thing or curse. We do not just have to be restricted to helping newbies.


Sargon, please consider this and please try to find time to rethink your decision to leave...

I cannot do much more to try to have you reconsider. If your mind is made up, then there's nothing I can do about it but please realise that I think you are a valuable resource to this clan. I think yourself and the others in this clan are highly respected as able to help others. We have to be able to help everyone. Are we going to stop rescuing people as soon as say someone reaches 200 ranks? 300? 400?

Sure helping newbies are a key goal of the clan but as we grow stronger, we must be able to feel free to help others as well. Otherwise what's the point to say getting a bunch of horus, or pendant training. Technically a healer would not need a lot of this stuff if they are just rescuing newbies in the rat towers or stopping Myrmtarr and his dreaded myrms from hurting all the newbies.

As we get ranks and grow stronger, our personal goals change. We can go further from town and go on more daring rescues. Say one goes to KI/TI or OC. Newbies wouldn't really be in most of these places anyways so why go? It's to help other exiles and the entire town.

Do you see what I'm saying Sargon?

Konoko

[Kiriel]

Sargon, I understand better now why you left. Thanks for expanding on it. But I think that if your concern is that you didn't do enough towards the goals of the clan, I think you're wrong. Yes, the goal of the clan is to help newbies, but how you help is a personal thing. We as a clan try to organize group events and help out in other ways, but really, everyone has their own way of doing things.

Most of us spend 95% of our time doing things other than helping newbies. The key is when we see the opportunity to help a newbie, what do we do about it. If you see that newbie in town confused do you help them, or find someone to show them around if you have a rescue to do? That's what it's all about. Do you try to let newbies you rescue know that you're a rescue healer and you'll try to help them again whenever they're in need? Then you're doing your part! Scheduling newbie events is great, but it's not for everyone. I would like to see more people in the clan do it, but it's certainly not required- there are so many other ways to help.

It's nice to go out of our way to help newbies, and I think that's part of what makes our clan special, but it's certainly not necessary to give up the rest of what makes you special. If you do think that helping newbies is a goal you like to achive, you achieve it in ways that make sense to you.

If you feel that helping newbies and being a rescue healer are two priorities that you can't resolve in a way that's comfortable for you, then that certainly makes sense. Conflicting priorities can be very difficult. But if you like helping newbies, and you just don't feel you're doing enough, take another look at what you do in your daily life in Puddleby, and see how you can have those two goals combine in a way that makes sense.

I don't want to turn you away from what you think is right, but if you think about it, and you decide you'd like to return to the clan, I think everyone would love to have you back! You'll always be a clanmate to me regardless, but I certainly would prefer if you'd rejoin if you feel it's right for you.

By the way, I do think that if anyone in the clan feels that things aren't quite right for them, it's good to talk about it. Not all problems can be solved, but many times, talking about things puts a fresh perspective on them, and sometimes these things can be dealt with in other ways. Certainly, if we'd had this discussion before you'd left, I would have felt better, understanding the reason, and perhaps you'd feel better, having known we understood?

[Nuvali]

I completely agree with Kiriel and Konoko. This clan has it roots in an ideal--to help newbies, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the branches and leaves, despite their other responsibilities and objectives, are completely separated from those roots.

Kiriel nailed it with "Most of us spend 95% of our time doing things other than helping newbies." So, looking at what I just wrote and looking at Kiriel's sentence, it dawns on me (ooh...no pun intended): our roots most likely go deeper than the ideal of helping newbies. In fact, at the deepest level, those roots represent the friendships, the good times, and the bad times that we have all shared--and will continue share. Sargon, you will *always* be a part of those roots, and thus--whether you like it or not--will always be a part of this organization.

There's just no escape, sir. ;-D

[Mehan]

Sargon... I have never scheduled a newbie hunt, I usually can't make it to many of them, and I really stink at rescuing people... except north farms, I'm really good at north farms.

I don't think WoD is completely about helping Newbies. Sure, we help when we can, but if I had to choose between a newbie hunt, or a hunt to KI with my clanmates, I know which I would choose! It's about having a group of people, a family that you know will always help you, be there for you and love you no matter what happens. Even though you left the clan, don't think you can take my clan experience... I bite. I really hope you think about this again, but whatever is your choice, whether it stays the same or changes, I will support you 100%. If you feel you don't fit in with us anymore, in the sense that your goals are different, I will still be there letting you rescue me when I go past north farms. You are my family, and I will always be your friend.

Be well Sargon.

[Lerris]

I wish I could say something that Kiri, Konoko, Nuvali, and Mehan haven't. But, they covered just about everything. So, just remember that I'm a newbie and you help me all the time. The problem with you is that you don't discriminate and help everyone equally, whether they be oldbie or newbie. You don't really seem to care who you help, as long as you help, so, no, you won't be as pro-newbie as you think we'd like you to be. But you're just fine, better than fine in fact.. I have to admit that even I wouldn't help newbies (and spend all my money on buying all those #$%#ing shortswords) as much if I didn't get 10% of those rat vanqs. ;D

-Lerris