Os 9.2.1

[Corwin]

I did the 9.2 update the other day and I immediately ran into problems - games and browsers ran much slower, apps loaded very slowly and ran sluggishly, it took forever to shut down, and text typed into, say, CL or a browser, would be very slow to show up on screen. It was very annoying - and I told Kiriel earlier today how unhappy I was with the release.

But, before I fell back to reloading 9.1, I ran the usual compliment of disk utilities (Disk Doc and & Speed Disk) and everything seems to be hunky dory now. (yay!)

I'm going to try OSX and see if I can run anything in Classic without it crashing - it hasn't worked yet, but I keep hoping.....I'll keep you informed!

PWC Corwin
:cool:

[Nuvali]

ooc:

Good luck Corwin!! I updated my classic partitiion to 9.2, but I haven't noticed any improvements or conflicts. Are you having problems running Classic mode in OS X? I had the same problem, originally, and it ended up being multi-user settings and some extention conflicts in 9 that prohibited a solid start. After disabling multi-user functionality from 9, and shuffling some extensions and control panels to their disabled folders, the classic environment has worked like a charm. Ironically, the classic apps fire-up 400% faster than carbon/cocao apps in OS X, now.... I guess that's the price we pay for *true* pre-emptive multitasking. :-(

[Sargon]

What? Someone's still not using OSX? :) Okok, it's not really for primetime yet. 10.1 will really be better though, especially performance-wise. (it's still a bit unstable but it works - sort of)

Nuvali - about the speed of starting Classic/Carbon/Cocoa application:

I don't have to start up any Classic apps so I've no experience here. Last time I've started it up by accident (silly text document was attached to BBEdit :) I went sleeping...

The Carbon apps (ok, I've only tried CL =) seem to start up as fast as under 9.x now. Or almost.

The launch times of Cocoa apps will always be somewhat bigger than the ones of the Carbon apps. But then it always was easier to just load a static inflexible hardcoded bunch of bytes directly into memory than load a real dynamic flexible application. =) (Ok I'm biased)

Anyway, what was the point of this posting? (apart from the +1 in #msgs) I don't really know.. just reinstalled the OS (hee) and had to try out whether OmniWeb still works. =)

Sargon

[Nunul]

I am eyeing a CD on my desk with a little bit of fright.
OSX
God help me!
I am soon to wipe my entire hard drive and start installing fresh.
Please stop me if I am about to make a monumental error...

[Sargon]

I'd wait until 10.1, Nunul. Sure you will be able to upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 but I still would wait if I wouldn't need the new OS that much. 10.1 should be out in about 1 month (may add some weeks ;) so...

Oh, and there's no reson to be afraid of X, as long as you're a bit open-minded. Look at it this way: it can run ClanLord, so it can't be a bad OS. =)

Sargon

PS. I recommend installing OSX on another partition if possible.

[Kiriel]

Sargon- there is a carbon version of BBEdit.

Personally I can't run OS X right now because it hates my Powerbook. I have a Lombard and it seems there's some conflict between it and OS X. Under OS 9 my Mac generally only freezes while playing Clan Lord. Under OS X my Mac freezes every 20 min or so.

I'm hoping 10.1 will not have this problem, but if it still does, I'll wait for the next TiBook revision and then upgrade to a new Powerbook.

[Nuvali]

Nunul, do it, man! You know you want to! lol

Really ... like Sargon summarized, perfectly, you might want to wait a couple/few weeks for 10.1. <strike>My only gripe is the slow mouse response.</strike> My only real gripe is that Microsoft hasn't gotten off their collective borg asses to upgrade their Intellimouse software to X, but that's not Apple's fault.

[Konoko]

Yeah Nuvali! That's my biggest complaint too!

I used to have a bunch of stuff programmed on my intellimouse for clan lord and now with os x none of it works except for the right button as a control click. And scroll wheel deal works in some apps. I believe companies like logicworks and kensington have os x software so what's microsoft's problem (besides being microsoft)?

The OS X version of USB overdrive isn't out yet either. I don't know if this would help with os x and the intellimouse though.


I didn't do the separate partitiion thing. I just installed it on top of the os x public beta. There were a few hiccups there but I think it was all just because I installed over the public beta.

Overall I am VERY impressed with how well OS x works. The classic apps work well with the OS x apps and everything like that. It's actually quite slick it it all operates.

[Corwin]

OK - tried out Classic under OSX. Classic loads. An application, say Word loads. When I click "File" to open a file, Word and Classic both crash and die. Same for other Classic apps.

Thanks for the tips, Nuvali - I'm not using MultiUser in 9. What extensions did you fiddle with? I wonder if I should try Apple extensions only?

I can't run OS X as default yet because new drivers don't exist yet for my printer.

We timidly tread the new frontier....

[kodo]

I'm praying that USB overdrive will be released for OS X... soon! *sigh*

[Sargon]

I'm a bit surprised that you Mac-guys seem to be crazy about all these additional mouse features. When I switched to the Mac (about 2 years ago, and no, not from PC) I thought that Mac guys (and gals :P) only use one mousebutton!

What kind of functions did you assign to the mouse buttons for CL? When I want to control-click something in CL, I ..... (drumbeat).... control-click it! :)

/action control-shift-mousewheel-F27-middlemousebuttonmove-scrolllock-clicks on the Konoko-icon!

Sargon

[Konoko]

The intellimouse I have has 4 buttons plus the scroll wheel button. For clan lord, I had the right button as a command-click. I select people much more often than making them a friend. I used the first thumb button as a control-click. The 2nd thumb button is the option-click. The scroll button click I have coded as a control-command-z or something. Then in my macros I have this do a /pull /push or whatever. I used to change it depending on what was going on (but I rarely used this)....

I bought this mouse so I could use it. But now it's not much more useful than my single button mouse. Microsoft should hurry up and release drivers for it...

[Nuvali]

Corwin: If I'm remembering correctly (sometimes that's a huge accomplishment for me ;-), I *did* revert the extension group to Apple-only, and after that, gradually added extensions as I needed them. I never figured-out which extensions were conflicting, but so far, everything I've added back to the enabled folder hasn't conflicted ... *yet*. ;-) Hope that helps.

The Microsoft Mouse Trap:
I really didn't have any seperate button functions assigned for CL, like Konoko did (although, after reading your post, Konoko, I will have to do so if/when we get our way with MS). What I really miss, functionality-wise, are much faster mouse speeds, and the ability to scroll (with the wheel) in finder windows. It's almost schizophrenic, now, to be able to use the scroll-wheel in OmniWeb/IE, but not be able to scroll up/down other windows.

I agree. USB Overdrive for X would solve 95% of my mouse desires (mainly the mouse speed). I can't remember... did USB Overdrive allow for scroll wheel settings? If so, then it would fill 100% of my desires, and the good USBO programmers would have another guranteed customer. :-D

[Konoko]

For myself Classic under OS X has been good. I don't use too many classic apps though: the main ones are Colour It and Scribus.

Under the Public Beta though, the classic environment wouldn't even start up for me...


I've never tried Word under Classic so I can't be much help there. I do have occasional problems under classic where it will freeze up. I think it relates to a problem I used to get under the normal 8.6-9.1 though. The menu will get all this gibberish beside the normal menus. I used to force quit the finder and then everything would be fine most times. Sometimes I would need to restart the whole thing though. But now under os x, I just have to restart classic. Very nice!

Konoko

[Kiriel]

You should really try Scribia Konoko now that it's carbon. Haven't used Colour It in years, but there are also other carbon or cocoa apps that do the same thing I believe.

[Konoko]

Well I have checked MicroFrontier's site and they are working on an OS X version. They'll email me when it's ready! I like it - I've been using it since they offered some deal on it way back when in MacWorld or MacUser or something.

As for an app like Graphic Converter, I tried their recent Carbon version and it was acting kinda strange so I gave up on it.


Is Scribia ready for primetime? I had posted on clanlords.com asking about a carbon version and it kinda sounded like the carbon version was even more experimental then the normal scribia version. Is the carbon actually useable and stuff? I'm pretty picky when it comes to UI and that kind of stuff...

[Corwin]

Thanks, Nuvali, I'll give that a try.

What's happened to clanlords.com? I haven't been able to raise the site for a few days now...