Two questions

[Jeanne]

I've been reading the past few messages in your forum and maybe this isn't the right time to ask these questions but here goes anyway.

I am currently a member of the Light & Shadow (actually founded it way back when but due to circumstances beyond my control have no authority any more) and believe that is being led astray for reasons that I won't bore you with in my first post. Naturally I will try to do my best to stop this slide into the abyss but forsee that I will either leave or be forced out in the end. This leads me to my questions.

SWC has three characters in total and they are all quite different. One of my other characters is also looking for a clan to join and she also believes that the Winds of Dawn is the best one and closest to what she believes. SWC also actually has a member in your clan right now which makes me a bit nervous because SWC would like some seperation of the characters. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind you knowing my characters if you keep that a secret to yourself and don't tell anyone else and realize that they are all quite different from each other.

So the question is this... "What is your clan's stance on multiple characters with one SWC?"

The other question is "What is your clan's stance on the Pogue Mahone and how do you deal with both them as individuals and them as a clan?"

Sorry if I am appear as though I am like a lawyer in the court but these questions are important to me and I'd rather be clanless than try to be a member of a clan whose major beliefs don't coincide with my own.

[Kiriel]

Actually, we currently have a policy that there should only be one character per PWC in the Winds of Dawn. The one exception is Tessa, and that's because both her characters are really the same character. If you search you can find an old thread on the subject. That being said, if the clan members would like to revisit this policy we could consider whether it should be changed.

Regarding PM, I don't think we have a clan stance on the matter, it is for the individual members to make their own judgements on them. I personally am not a big fan of PM as a clan, but I am friends with some of the members on a personal basis, and I do have to say that they've helped me out a few times.

[Jeanne]

I'm disappointed but I understand and I also thank you for your prompt and concise answer as well as for letting me post to your messageboard to ask these questions in the first place. I wish you and your clan the best of fortune and luck in the future and I will not bother you again. Thank you again.

[Konoko]

I can't remember all the details on the original thread way back when, but was it basically whether or not the different characters wanted to be treated separately or as the same?

Voting for instance would be one matter that would need to be discussed. I would think that only one vote would be allowed. Would 1 of the 3 characters be specified as the "voting member" while the others are non-voting members?

And then as these characters are really to be kept separate, one would have to make sure that we handle this properly so that it is not mentioned that these 3 characters all belong to one individual.

I'm sure there are other points of discussion, so we can start discussing it!


Konoko

[Delirium]

Argh. My first relpy to this was lost when aol crashed on me.:mad:

Anyway:

OOC:

The plain and simple truth is that unless you are a far far better role-player than I am AND you are also surrounded by nothing but the best role-players, it is almost impossible to maintain seperation between different characters. This is the best reason, as far as I am concerned, not to have multiple characters in one clan - unless you play them as the same person, as Tessa does.

There are several clans oriented towards new exiles that I would suggest looking at if you find you need another clan: Hearts of Tan, Purple Tor, and Open Hands. Astral Visions is brand new and has members who were formerly members of all 3 of these clans.

As for PM, I can understand what drives people to opsec and what not, but I don't like that PM does not want to share the knowledge they gain.

[Kiriel]

Oh Jeanne, remember that everyone is welcome to hang out on our messageboard, clan member or not, so even if you're not in the clan, you can still visit with us here :)

[Konoko]

Jeanne, somewhere on this forum was a discussion about the sharing of info (PM was mentioned). I believe there were several comments and such in there about people's opinions as well as the advantages/disadvantages to sharing info...

Konoko

[Lilly]

The clan has no official stance on any other clan currently. Everyone's viewpoints of each clan is their own to make. I, for the most part, like em.

[Jeanne]

Thank you for your thoughtful replies and I shall take you up on your offer to stay and post here. I feel much more comfortable writing here as opposed to Usenet. [:)]

[Althus]

I can see your point about the Usenet, although I prefer it personally (I'm pretty used to wrangling HGM and Phelps, though).

What's *your* stance on PM? Personally, I like them as individuals (except that I just can't stand Klur), but as a group they're a little stuck-up for my tastes.

Personally, I don't see the need to have two characters in one clan. I had 2 in LoW for a while, which was a major pain. The more different clans you're in, the more information flow you have, and the more informed you tend to be.

Right now I'm a member of... *counts* 4 different clans: LoW, WoD, DM, and AV. Duplicating membership would be rather pointless, or so it seems to me. On the other hand, I don't work very hard at keeping characters separate.

Ok, I'm tired and just rambling now. Or was I rambling the whole time? Sorry... Should I just shut my piehole now?
(x) Yes
( ) No
( ) Abstain

[Jeanne]

Originally posted by Althus
Ok, so I figured out who you are (don't worry, I won't tell. It's just a hobby of mine.)

Argh, if there's one thing I learned it's to keep different characters as far from each other as possible if you want to keep them seperate as I now think everyone here knows who the seperate characters are of SWC. :eek: If you think you know, please keep it to yourself and please don't attach them to each other. They really are seperate and fine people on their own right or at least that's what I like to think. If you have any suggestions on how I can keep them seperate, please let me know because I could evidentally use as many tips as I could.

What's *your* stance on PM? Personally, I like them as individuals (except that I just can't stand Klur), but as a group they're a little stuck-up for my tastes.

As individuals, they might be great people but as a group they hide information that could be beneficial to us all and I consider them to be nearly enemies of Puddleby.

Personally, I don't see the need to have two characters in one clan. I had 2 in LoW for a while, which was a major pain. The more different clans you're in, the more information flow you have, and the more informed you tend to be.

Right now I'm a member of... *counts* 4 different clans: LoW, WoD, DM, and AV. Duplicating membership would be rather pointless, or so it seems to me. On the other hand, I don't work very hard at keeping characters separate.

Your idea is a good one and I'll consider another clan. The main reason of me also wanting to join is because SWC thinks you're the greatest clan and would like all of her characters to be a part of it. I didn't mean anything negative about my request but instead meant the greatest of complements.

Ok, I'm tired and just rambling now. Or was I rambling the whole time? Sorry... Should I just shut my piehole now?
(x) Yes
( ) No
( ) Abstain

I vote No because you gave me a lot of information that is very useful.

[Maxmillian]

Jeanne, I must say that your secrets are safe with me.........mainly because I have no clue who the others would be. I'm not always the sharpest sword in the backpack. [:p]

[Kiriel]

I wouldn't worry Jeanne- most folks probably haven't figured it out- I know I haven't. Althus is one of those "special" types who delights in squirreling away this kind of information so that he figured it out really isn't that surprising, and don't worry, he'll keep it quiet.

[Sargon]

ooc
Usually, people who want to find out such things will, others who prefer not to know it wont, except you drop a BIG hint everyone has to stumble over. :) I personally have a strong guess but I won't try to verify it one way or the other.

I don't think it will change the interaction between Sargon (and all my other chars - Althus, how many of them do you know? (smiles) The 'obvious' one doesn't count (grins)) and your characters. Well, it will a lil bit since we're all humans. :)

Sargon (and his HWC)

[Himitsu]

I don't know why anyone would want to have more than one character. I know I have trouble keeping track of SWC and I. Considering I find myself thinking about the mysteries of Clan Lord when I'm taking a shower or washing dishes or sleeping or writing email or....



On the other hand, this is a new mystery for me to solve. Which other character belongs to Jeanne's SWC that is in our clan. Maybe it's Kiriel! [:D]

[Kiriel]

FYI, I'm not Jeanne :)

I have 3 characters, fighter, healer, and tailor, and several members know who all of them are. None of the others spend anywhere as much time in the lands as Kiriel :)

My characters are for different moods- my fighter is for when I'm feeling active. My healer is for when I feel like being somewhat lazy. My tailor is for when I don't want to have any good reason to leave town :)

[Sargon]

/ponder Gasp gasp!!!!! Kiri seems to imply that healers are lazy butts!!!!!
/ponder What about those fen fighters who spend most of their time in the library!
/action peers at Konoko!
/action throws at pie at Konoko and hides in the library. :)
/ponder I won! =)

:)

Sargon

[Sargon]

One more thing!

People should stop mentioning they're not Jeanne! If everyone except one does that, it's pretty easy to guess who it is. ;) So... maybe I am Jeanne! Ha!

/ponder Oh, she said clan members, so I'm out of the race [;)]

Sargon

[Konoko]

Did you see that?

Sargon threw a pie at me!
It was totally unprovoked!

I'm just standing here all innocent and stuff and this pie comes hurtling at me... :(
tsk, tsk

I think this means we'll have to keep talking about Sargon behind his back even more than we do now in the private forum...


Sargon - would you prefer all the fens in the library hunting you down as a tasty snack? Or would you prefer them in the library every now and then studying?

Let me know! :)


Konoko

[Althus]

I'm probably not Jeanne... <g>

[Kiriel]

Not all healers are lazy butts, just mine :)
She's a hospital healer mostly, so she sits on her butt and waits for people to need her, while SWC watches TV :)

[Mehan]

I feel left out. I don't know who is the other Jeanne.. erm.. who SWC is.. oh bugger, you get my point.

OOC
Mehan is lazy, and so is my other character =P But I think that's because SWC is lazy too. rubs off on them. bad me, bad.

END OOC

so... yeah.

/whisper So Althus... who's Jeanne? [;)]

[Farhope]

Jeanne,



"What is your clan's stance on multiple characters with one SWC?"

My personnal position:
I don't think it is good from an IC point of view to have the rule: only one character/player in the clan; that just have no sense. I have no problem to see more than one character of one player in the clan. I perfer NOT know that it is the same player. And, contrary to Althus, I do all what I can to ignore that this character and that other one are guided by the same player.

So, for me, if more than one character that you are playing want to go in our clan, no problem.

BUT

but, like Althus, *I* would not do that. Althus said something about informations network, he is right (as usually ;-) I think. For me, the problem would be that it would be more difficult to have the separation between your characters (IMHO). I think that the separation (a very important thing for me :-) between multiple characters is easier with other relations, friends, goals, clans...




"What is your clan's stance on the Pogue Mahone and how do you deal with both them as individuals and them as a clan?"

I have a very good friend, her name is Kisa and yes, she is in Pogue Mahone clan. That is no problem for me. I have received lot of help from Baffette too.

I have trained with Blitz and Cygnus and I have learned a lot from their teaching.

No, I have no problem with any Pogue Mahone members I think.

What I heard several times comments about the "we, Pogue Mahone clan, don't share what we know with non-clan members". For me it is not a problem as long as it will not endangered our town (for example, for me, it was not a problem, when they discovered the path towards the foothills**), I hear that they keep some informations that, if they would share it, it will be easier to deal with and we will be safer in our town. If this is right, I don't agree they do that.

In fact, *I* would not keep some information about things that many people are looking for, if I would know something new... I find that not sharing this kind of informations is "rude" (not the best word, but you know my lack of skill in common tongue) but that's only me.

** yes, you could argue that it was important to share because the orgas are a treat to our town and we were thinking that the path leaded towards the orgas, etc. Yes, with every information, you could argue that, not sharing it, will endanger our town...

I find this very interesting that they do keep informations; I think that the game is enhanced by this "race" towards informations, new areas, ...

[Delirium]

I really don't know anyone in PM very well. Some of them seem nice, some of them seem a bit arrogant for my tastes. But I have a thought on their world view....

OOC Warning

It seems like PM views CL as a video game like Myst, Warcraft, etc. These games have fixed scenarios/puzzles that must be solved, and, to many, knowing the answers spoils the fun. Some members of PM have used the justification of "we don't want to spoil other's fun of discovery" for keeping secrets.

I think this view is wrong-headed. Unlike those other games, we all play CL together, and, as with the shovels and possibly various bits of information, some things may not be made available to later explorers of areas.

Others in PM view themselves as being in competition with other clans. The other night Klur and Blitz were offering to take on all commers in the arena, and PM seems very compettitive with the rest of Puddleby in other ways too. I thought this was supposed to be a cooperative game.

Now, it is also true that the citizens of Puddleby frequently act with Mob mentality. Witness what happened with the spriggens a while back (Mehan doccumented the whole thing on her web page) and with Garag. If anyone wants to try something other than mass slaughter, you need a small disiplined group. If Tenebrion walked into town and offered to sell his potion collection for 10 coins, he would be attacked and dead before the transaction could be completed. So yes, I see some reason for establishing disciplined groups for exploring and interacting with NPCs, but no reason for keeping secrets. Yes, you can come up with some IC reason for anything, but PM's given IC reasons for keeping secrets read like they OOC decided to keep things secret and then tried to IC justify it.

Ironically, I feel that PM suffers from a bit of Mob conformity itself. Taken individually, PM has many nice people in it....