Healer question: how to not loose health while healing?

[Kirth Gersen]

A rather straightforward question I often think about, and always forget to ask about in the Lands...

Or, rather, a few questions:

(1) Why do I loose health while healing? My Spirit more often than not recover while healing others nowadays (Better pupil with Lady Thuja).

(2) With whom do I train to stop loosing health while healing?


Humbly yours,
/Kirth

[Sargon]

Hi


(1) Why do I loose health while healing?


I've heard there was a time when healing with the moonstone didn't make you loose health, but that must be a long time ago.. Maybe moonstone healing is like channelling your own health to your vic.. I mean.. target. To channel it you need your spirit. Hm.. I guess others can give you more witty reasonings than me. [:)]



(2) With whom do I train to stop loosing health while healing?


I'm not sure it's possible to reduce the loosing health part. (maybe Master Spirtus helps with that.. Althus? :) But what I know you can do is healing yourself while healing others, if you have good spirit recovery. The following healer trainers pop into my mind:

(a) Respia: Increases spirit recovery (therefore you can more selfheal while healing others)

(b) Sylpha: (2nd circle trainer) For 30 ranks you can get a nice ring, which automatically selfheals you. I'd say it's half as effective as the moonstone, but it's automatic. And since it's a ring, you wear it on your finger, meaning both the left and the right hand are still free.

(c) Awaria: I'm not sure about her, but I think she helps you to selfheal more efficient. Many healers consider it a waste of ranks though, since there seem to be more effective ways to achieve something similar. (eg Respia/Spiritus together) I think Corwin stands on Awaria's toes, maybe she could share her opinion on this topic.

Maybe Spirtus helps too somehow, I dunno. :)

Hm.. I guess you better wait for someone with real knowledge on the subject and ignore my post. [:p]

Sargon

[Delirium]

I gain spirit fast enough that I can self-heal faster than I loose health through healing. The ring is not as efficient as the moostone, though, so if I don't actively self-heal with my moonstone, my health goes down slowly. It is really the fastus/respia balance that matters. I have about 3 times as much respia as fastus. All my fastus is from eva.

[Unregistered]

Wow, Delirium, that's an impressive ratio! Both Respia and Faustus tell me that it's hard to find more to teach me.

/ponder Maybe I can trade some Loov'ma ranks with some Respia ranks from her ;)

Sargon

[Delirium]

I like my Respia ranks a lot, so you can't have them![:p]

If, on the other hand, you wanted to give me some Loovma ranks......[:D]

[Sargon]

/ponder Delirium is as stubborn as Mehan...
/action hmpfs!

Sargon

[Mehan]

/ponder Don't go there you sillyvan.

[Delirium]

Stubborn?????

Who's the one who refuse to rejoin the clan where he knows he belongs??

Mehan, can you give Sargon a good Zo head-butt?

[Althus]

*ahem* Back to the question at hand...

There are two real ways to not lose health while you heal, and neither one is particularly attractive.

A) Respia: Improve your selfheal enough so that you can go forever without losing health or spirit. This requires a TON of Respia, though (at least a 3:1 ratio, if not more).

B) Troilus: I once knew a healer with 100 troilus who never lost health when she healed. I don't think Troilus is very effective, but might be worth about 30 ranks of study eventually.

There's also a way to "sort-a" not lose health. Higgrus. If you train enough, the health loss becomes less noticeable. In the end, though, keeping your health full is costly and not very productive. I'd reccomend it unless you have a special reason for wanting to do so.

[Delirium]

As I said before, I have about a 3:1 respia:fastus ratio and I can gain health while healing and self-healing with my moonstone....

...IF the person I am healing shares me. If not, I lose health. I think the ring is roughly 1/2 as efficient at self-heal as the moonstone, so I'm guessing a 6:1 ratio would be required to do the same thing with the ring.

One thing I am not sure about is how the self-heal trainer plays into this balance as I only have 2-3 ranks with her. As it is, I can self-heal when not healing others and not taking damage from red to full health in about 50 ooc seconds, another advantage of having lots of respia.

[Sargon]

While that 3:1 ratio is incredibly high, I'm a bit surprised you still loose health while healing an unshared, Delirium.

I would assume that a lot of healers (not 90%, maybe 50%?) have a ratio of approx 2:1 and they all stay white while healing others. (shared) If the additional +1 in your ratio doesn't help you to stay white while healing a non-shared, do you still intend to keep your ratio in the future?

/ponder Selfhealing in 50 ooc-seconds - wow! :)

Sargon

[Delirium]

Staying white and gaining health are two different things. If I start at full health and full spirit, my ring (which is 1/2 as efficient as my moonston, so that's like 1.5:1 with the moonstone) is enough to keep me white for several minutes of healing.

[Mehan]

I have some new important information on this:

I have a friend who has 150 troilus. When she heals she does not loose health at all. She can heal forever without needing to recharge.

She has no respia, no faustus, and no other healer trainers at the moment, so she is slow, but she is a fort. She can keep somebody up for a very long time. In the future she will get faustus and respia and higgy, and she will be a sight to see.

Troilus is the answer.

[Delirium]

But I can heal forever too and I don't have any troilus, and I've been able to heal forever for some time. Troilus is an answer, but I don't think it is the best one. As your fastus gets better, you will have to keep training more Troilus (and more respia too). I think there are better options than Troilus for healers, and the path I have takien is just one such path.

[Hippocrates]

I've noticed that it depends on who I am healing. If I am healing a very experienced fighter or healer, niether my spirit nor my health decreases. However, both do if I am healing a new exile. How does this come into play?

Hippocrates

[Delirium]

Hippo - I've no explainatin for your observation - in fact, I've experienced something of the reverse - Experienced exiles who have trained spiritus can be scarry to heal because they drain you so fast. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the newer exiles do not share you as quickly as the more experienced ones?