Library studies

[Nephilim]

I have a question about studying in the libraries. I know that the more I study the more I learn but does the rate at wich I learn increase the longer I stay in?

It feels like it's better to study for a long consecutive time than to study a bit, come out and then study a bit again. Or is it just me imagining?

[Aerick]

I cannot answer the question you ask, as I do not know. I know there is some controversay, but then, there's controversay over how skea works, and that's about as cut and dry and documented as it gets.

The only thing on this matter that I do know is that if you study for over an IC year, (3 ooc months) you only get experience for the first IC year, and no more. I do not know why this is, though.

[Sargon]

I'd say it's to try to prevent library chars to a certain extend. Of course coming out with the char and use the NPC which makes you spending all your ranks immediately (or in packs of N ranks) costs about 30 seconds, so it's dumb from my POV. That or there's another reason.

[Konoko]

I think that spending some time in the library and then coming out with a bunch of ranks all at once just seems to be a lot. I think it's the same as just studying a bit, coming, out, studying for a bit, coming out, etc. The library works out to about 1 rank every OOC day. At least that's what it is for me now. Maybe even a little less...

Any little bit of time you can spend out of the library killing (rather than slaughtering) things can only help. Going and killing a bunch of stuff has got to be faster than waiting for library study time to get you a rank.

I'm at 860 ranks or something like that. My 2 OOC year clan lord anniversary is coming up in April. I'll easily be under 1000 ranks for 2 OOC years. That's hardly any ranks when compared to someone who clans more. In my opinion the rate at which I learn does not increase the longer I'm in the library. Otherwise I think I should have a few more ranks... :)

Just have a look at the clan timeline. I was exiled about a month after Kiri. I passed 2nd circle about 5 months later. I'm not sure when Kiri passed 2nd but she passed 3rd 6 months after I passed 2nd. And now months from when Kiri passed 3rd, I'm still 2nd circle.

I don't really know what I'm saying. I guess I'm just ranting about all the library time I've spent rather than being able to come out of the library and actually earn ranks the old fashioned way. But that's just because I've been busy... :(

Konoko

[Farhope]

I like to think (but I am not sure!) that the rate at wich we learn in the library doens't increase the longer we stay in. I think the rate is "uniforum" (not sure about the word) but that is only my impression.

[Delirium]

Whick Librbary do you study in Konoko?

I study in the 175 coins/zodic one and it seems like I get a little more than 1 rank/day. Although I usually come out for about 2 hours at a time several times a week, it seems rare that I get a rank except when comming out of the library. I'd guess I'm getting about 2 ranks/week from clanning and about 8 from the library, but that's very rough and could be wrong as I don't track it that carefully. Looking back at some posts, I see I made Lady (550 ranks?) about 4 weeks ago. I think I trained somewhere between 30 and 40 ranks in that time, but I've been in the Library more than usual. I've been in the lands just over 3 IC years.

[Sargon]

Well Konoko... if you not always would pick the books with the most pictures in them but the ones which actually teach you something, you might have more ranks! Seriously though, one rank/ooc-day sounds about right for me too. (I'm using the advanced lib, which costs about 5c per ooc-day, I think)

Sargon

/ponder Woo! 500 posts! =)

[Konoko]

Whick Librbary do you study in Konoko?
I just study in the fighter library. The pay to study libraries would be something I'd use if I had money.

But at the moment I only have about 1200 coins in the bank (and some of that will go to Fel's and Koric's wedding gifts). The rest I'm saving for the white belt when (if?) I pass 3rd.

I never really know if I'll be in the library for long stretches at a time or not. My money would disappear in no time! :(

As for about 1 rank or a little less every OOC day, I think there's a slowdown at maybe 650 ranks or somewhere in there. Or maybe that's just my imagination. It might just be that one needs more ranks say in detha for something to become more noticeable or whatever. At one point I basically looked at my ranks and determined I needed like say 100 more ranks in Althus and 100 more ranks in detha before I could pass 3rd. If I have this goal and just train 100 ranks straight with detha it may just appear that a slowdown is happening because I'm only training in one thing rather than in a series or combination of things.

Have others experienced this or is it all just psychological? Maybe it's different with healers than fighters or mystics?

Another part that probably is a factor is that one's slaughter rate increases. One has to go further on the isles on hunts, etc to find things that one doesn't slaughter. If I'm just after coins for a week period, I'll go to NWF and SF. Unfortunately I pretty much slaughter all that stuff so it's not like I'm going to get any ranks there from all the slaughters.

And with only being on periodically or for short bits at a time, it's difficult to plan a hunt or trip to say the savannah or wherever.

Actually the slaughter thing is probably the main reason for the slowdown and pouring 100 ranks into something just exasperates the effect to make the slowdown even more noticeable.


if you not always would pick the books with the most pictures in them but the ones which actually teach you

You mean there are books more advanced than picture books and all those "See Dick Run" books? The fighter library is full of these ones... ;)
Here's my favourite:
See Konoko hold a pie.
See Sargon run.
See Konoko throw the pie.
See the pie hit Sargon.
See Sargon covered in tangleberry goodness.

haha! :)


I hope to eventually get back into the swing of things where I can clan more regularly and get some money often enough to study in the "fancy" libraries. I guess that's the place to go if I want "real" books without all those pretty pictures... :)


Wow - this is a long post with lotsa info. And even a nice little story about pies. I must be learning something from all those picture books... :)

Konoko

[Althus]

There is actually some evidence that the longer you study, the lower your average rate of learning. Let's hear what the librarians have to say:

Regular: Edric says, "But remember, you cannot learn as well from books if you never put your knowledge to use."

Low-advanced: Parric says, "Remember, you can't learn as well from books if you never use your knowledge."
Mid-advanced: Lirric says, "Remember, you cannot learn as well from books if you never put your knowledge to use."
High-advanced: Sebric says, "Remember, you can't learn as well from books if you never use your knowledge."

Fighter: Rakba says, "But remember, you can't learn as much from sparring if you never apply it in a real fight."

Healer: Teysia says, "But remember, you cannot learn as well if you never use what you have learned."

Mystic regular: Cieregon says, "But remember, even study grows wearisome without real-world practice to give it meaning."
Mystic advanced:Sierego says, "Remember to temper your study with real-world practice."

The copper mine and badlands librarians had nothing specific say. I didn't get the chance to talk with Umbrion's librarian ;)

[Farhope]

Thank you for the hints, Althus.

At one point I basically looked at my ranks and determined I needed like say 100 more ranks in Althus and 100 more ranks in detha before I could pass 3rd.

Wow, Althus can train you to better pass 3rd circle fighters' test? I was sure! [;)]

[Kiriel]

It's interesting to see the disparity in ranks between us Konoko, because although it's been ages since I regularly got more than one rank a day, I seem to have about 300 ranks more than you, which doesn't seem right. I'm pretty sure I passed 3rd somewhere in the 800ish ranks area, so the number of ranks you have when you pass is probably similar to mine.

I'm pretty positive the library experience is at a constant rate. Those messages about putting the ranks to use are actually a warning because there's a cap of how long you can gain experience in the library before you stop accumlating experience (I think it's about 6 ooc months but I'm not sure)

[Althus]

I think this (http://www.no-op.com/seph3rd.sit) best sums up my 3rd circle test taking advice. Of course, that assumes low-Atkus, high darkus, bad balance, and good histia, but it's a decent strategy.

[Konoko]

I just watched the movie Althus. That's a lot more patience than I have... :)

I would have swung a few more times in some of those cases. Of course I'd probably swing out and get beat on... :)
I think I get nervous and don't have the patience. But I'll keep trying!

I noticed the rage was a vanq too!


Thal said he'd let me borrow his great sword so I'll have to give that a try next time.

Konoko

[Althus]

The key is knowing your limits. If the rage can hit you after two swings (like it did me) then you shouldn't swing twice :)

Patience is a virtue.

[Konoko]

The whole patience thing is one of my major problems with the test I think. That and the past 2 times I've gotten trapped and beat on in the corners a couple times...

3 tests or so ago it went really well and now I think I've jinxed myself... :)

Konoko

[Nunul]

Just fer poops and giggles, I'd like to revisit the colloseum with a few clan members to beat on each other (in a freindly fashion of course!)

Konoko, I belive that you were exiled quite near the time I was.
I'd like to compare trainer messages and the duel.
(I'd also like to take a couple swings at Kiriel too since she sunk the baking ranks into her regiment)

-Nunul

[Altir]

Ah wouldn't mind ah friendly battin' ah would like ta learn more from yer more experienced folk! Dinna worry, ah sunk me brewin ranks 'n quite ah bit (toes) o' study with tha skinnin lady, Skea!

So, put me down fer tha event... o' course, would be nice ta have ah clan healah about ta help pick meself up.

Ah do tend ta study in tha payin library, tha second payin one... 175c now? Ah fergettin... ah just hand ovah me coins... heh.

/action dusts himself off.

Altir

[Konoko]

Sure Nunul!
Sounds like a plan...

If I remember right these are all my non-fighter ranks:
Spiritus 20
Skea 55
Sartario 20
Fen language 5
Troilus 35
Dentir 26
PF 17
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Total 178


I'd be interested in seeing how I compare with the other fighters in the clan...

Konoko

[Altir]

/action peers into the library trying to see where Konoko is sitting.

Non fightin stuff best ah kin guess:

Skea: 100
Troilus: Better Pupil (methinks 75)
Bruia Stout 45
Marsh Hermit: 19
Mentus 9
Lana Garaka 5
Loovma Geer 1

Thar ye go. Ah hath 397 fer me fightin trainin... tis whar ah training agin now. Hmm... /ponders 800'ish aye? ah think will be bout tha same fer mah. need ta sharpen me axe some more methinks, not hittin like it should.

[Farhope]

I'd be interested in seeing how I compare with the other fighters in the clan...


About non-fighters ranks? I try guessing:

Sporrin: 5
Babelle: 15
Fen language:

[Karkras]

Hey Konoko,
I think I was exiled about the same time as you. I tend to spend the majority of my time now in Gatoh Becker's back office studying books from Lirric's library. My 3rd Circle Test (http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/freeholder/Tanmiges/karkras3rdtest.sit) (quite a bit different from Sephorus's!) was over a puddleyear ago now. At the time, I was under a lot of pressure from my peers to "get the right ranks" to pass quickly, but I stuck my course and trained the way I wanted to fight outside the barracks. There's a "magic moment" when it all comes together.

I would say the biggest reasons for the difference in our progression rate are 1) my rapacious adventuring until mid 2c, and 2) my study in Lirric's library. That second reason becomes more and more important as we gain skill. I estimate that, at our current skill level, that training in Lirric's library (25c/RLday) will earn approx. 140 ranks in 100 RLdays compared to about 100 for the same time of study in the Barracks. That adds up.

Of course, the non-fighter ranks make a difference too.
Fen: 5
Skea: 50
Loovma: 25
Troilus: 50
Mentus: 1 [:p]

[Sargon]

/ponder They still insist on beating up each other in the Coli! (or is that the Arena?) At least I don't have to see the fallen messages anymore... :((((

Sargon